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And this is why we leave the closed loop enabled w/ Holley EFI

12K views 25 replies 19 participants last post by  Danny Cabral  
#1 ·
So I got this buddy Jeremy that guess by Heavychevy on the forums. He's got a pretty badass Silverado Crew Cab with a 408ish cube motor and a 94mm turbo on E85. So he's racing this CTS-V with a 150-175 shot. Here's the video. CTS-V gets the hit.


Looks like a nice clean pull. With the scramble and everything, that's about 1200 rwhp at like 4500 lbs. Well, what you can't see is that at about 1.5 secs into the run his fuel pressure went from 70 psi to 42-43 psi within the next .75 seconds (pink line). As this is happening, you can see the Holley spring into action with the closed loop correction (green dashes) and the injector duty cycle follow along with it (maroon line). He's not yet sure what happened but I suspect that the diaphragm in the boost reference fuel pressure regulator broke.



This is the 4th vehicle in our crew that has lived thru a 1000+ rwhp pump issue or failure in a multipump setup.

Have faith gentlemen. The shit works! :supz:
 
#4 ·
Yeah, I was thinking that maybe a 150% duty cycle spike should light a bulb or pull all the timing or something. I don't know that I want it to activate at 100% (maximum value the Holley will allow me to input as a trigger). I hate false positives and would hate for someone to lose because of one.
 
#12 ·
That's awesome my Holley did the same thing in my race car. Car went 150% duty cycle and the Holley added 70lbs and hr to my setup. Found out mine was my weldon 2025 was down 50 gallons an hr and diaphragm in my regulator broke also so had them upgraded while out. Everything since has been perfect glad your motor is ok
 
#13 ·
Make a safety output based on sensors...
then (even if you are not using it) add the boost config
then you can use the "Boost safety" and trigger it by the output you set up as a "safety output"
you can then set it to kick on the "Boost safety" if its triggered for more than a specified amount of time (1 second, 2 seconds)
this way you can filter out transient spikes set in the safety output...which can also light a bulb at the same time so you get a visual and it will cut the ignition if it comes on for more than the time specified.
 
#18 ·
Had the same thing happen to me.. didn't know the pump was not keeping up... pressure at 4100 rpm was 61psi.... At 6300rpm it was down to 37psi. Holley Dominator never let it go leaner than 12.0... Injector DC went way up to compensate... Engine never flinched. Amazing!
~Scott
 
#22 ·
Impressive to see these things work. I think Holley has really done a great job of ensuring that people will be putting their product on hot rods for a long time to come, to the point where it might well become as ubiquitous as a 4150/4500.

How does the Dominator ECU sample the O2 sensor (per ignition event, or per...)? My first thought is the latency in the O2 signal is likely orders of magnitude larger than the clock speed on even an older 8MHz unit, much less the 24 or 50Hz+ processors being used by modern controllers.

Also, out of curiosity is Holley using a PID algorithm for Target AFRs? I'm guessing requiring Holley-specific sensors really helps standardize and improve performance of the EGO feedback loop and may minimize the utility of PID.