I have found it can be a great idea. However, it brings it's own set of issues. #1 issue is how other racers can get real prickly about it. It works, if you are willing to put up with the flack. Personally, I've decided to work around it. Take care. Tom Worthington

 

I did it the last few years in my 11 second footbrake car so I didn't have to burn on the converter so hard to get a good rt. Problem is depending on the rules where you race you are going to have to accept the fact that jackwagons can and will screw you around getting into the lights. Especially if deep staging isn't honored. I liked doing it so much I am even going to experiment this year with doing it in my fast car.

 

Did it for years, don't fuck around, get both lights on before the other guy gets in, if that causes a problem with the tracks idea of 'courtesy staging' then a chat with the line man related to reality is in order. In my experience not that many want to stage first, when going deep you better.

 

I Deep staged with the car we ran a number of years ago, it wasn't a problem at our home track, but sometimes was a bit of an issue when you raced at other tracks. But I concur with Mr. Hipster........if allowed, roll in and light both bulbs ASAP, (preferably before your competitor "Pre-Stages"), and start bumping in as soon as the competitor is "Pre-Staged"....even do a couple of bumps before he is PS'd

The last year that we ran that car, I had an issue at our IHRA Bracket Finals (Division 5), they were enforcing "courtesy staging" and didn't like it when I rolled in and lit 2 bulbs. They sent an IHRA official down to talk to me after a run......when I plead my case that if I'm deep staging by rolling in and lighting 2 bulbs, I was in affect "pre-staged", and I would wait for my competitor to light his top bulb before going in deep ("staged"). They didn't see it my way and told me not to do it again or I'd be DQ'ed. I talked to the Director of Comp. for Div. 5 to try to again plead my case, but had no luck..........in the off season I again plead my case to the same director, and by the time the next BF rolled around they were having the starter over ride "auto start" for anyone that was a Deep Stager, but you still had to courtesy stage.

 

My wife ran her Explorer a few times and I told her to deep stage, well she wasn't too good at bumping it in and after a few Red Lights she called it Deep Shit.

 

Since "shallow" is supposed to give you a "roll" before the beam breaks, why is deep staging ever a good idea?

 

It's all about cutting a solid and consistent reaction time, not about generating an impressive ET...if you are bracket racing. Take care. Tom Worthington

 

Quicker RT, slower ET.

 

Practice rolling in slowly, watch the Pre Stage come on, Stage bulb come on, then Pre Stage go off, NAIL THE BRAKES! Works everytime!

Some tracks Honor Deep Staging, some enforce Courtesy Staging, whatever. If you learn the three bulb roll, it won't matter what they do, as long as Deep Staging is allowed. Some tracks are run by pussies and outlaw Deep Staging. They will NEVER see me there, fuck that!

 

Some morons believe it's cheating, getting an unfair set a little closer to the end stripe. Sorta like lefties, can't talk sense to some. Rule is deep will add a tenth to the number, but MPH will be up related to dial.

 

Not allowed at any track within 500 or so miles down here including divisionals and bracket finals

 

I tried it once in my DD at a test n tune at Thunder Road in Gilliam, LA one Friday night in 2010 or '11. Nope! They weren't having it. So they waved me back and made me re-stage. I never tried it after that.

 

Ran a big Impala in street years ago. Deep staging was the way to go RT-wise.. Our track stated
that the racer was responsible for deep staging. Of course there were those that would try to stage
1st. As Hipster stated, need to dial a tenth slow when going deep. Soo, better have a way to run a
tenth+ quicker if you get quick tree'd! In the end I decided it was too much fucking around, got a
car that was a thousand lbs. lighter.

 

If I race sportsman or street I’m basically the only person who DOESN’t deep stage.

I’ve always stayed back and let them double bulb before I approached.
when I single bulb, they then roll out of the pre-stage beam.

I thought that was courtesy staging(against a deep stage car)?

(When courtesy staging against a regular car I hit the first light and wait for their first light before hitting second bulb)

Am I off on the courtesy rules for a deep car?

 

Around here you just write DEEP on your window and no problems.

 

And for some reason I like being first into the first light.

Unless some guy in a regular stage car double bulbs me...then I might decide to be a dick IF I think he’s trying to be an ass.
But I rarely do that.

 

Not at all^^^re: post 15

 

A couple of things to keep in mind when Deep Staging........when you see any combination of 3 lights lit (one car pre-staged, the other car staged) at this point you are on the "auto start" clock. Meaning that you have 7-10 seconds to get in Deep. If you are still rolling in when the tree is activated, you will go RED if you continue to roll in and drop the top bulb out (Deep Staged)

 

Don't think so. Red light happens when stage beam completes circuit before green light circuit is activated. As long as the tire is in the stage beam before green, red isn't happening.

YUP ......... If you are the faster the car, you can still bump in deep even after your opponent has left.

 

Don't think so. Red light happens when stage beam completes circuit before green light circuit is activated. As long as the tire is in the stage beam before green, red isn't happening.

 

I must be mistaken...........It's been a while since I've been a Deep Stager, but I swear that I had a couple of times when my side of the tree was active before I got in Deep, and it immediately turned on the red light when I dropped out the top bulb.

I don't know how the electronics are set-up, but obviously if it comes down to when the wheel comes out of the "stage" beam only,(in relation to the "green/red" light coming on), I must be wrong.

 

I realize deep staging gives the potential for better reaction time for pro-tree type racing, but for bracket racing; I see no advantage in reaction time. Because the delay box can be adjusted to provide the reaction time. Maybe I am wrong? . . . . . I was under the impression that deep staging in bracket racing was done in order to allow the driver to more accurately and consistently position the car at the same spot each time. The staging is more precise?

 

Not all classes allow the use of a delay box. Deep staging as I have used it was for a relatively slow moving, slow reacting vehicle that didn't clear the beams quickly. So, by deep staging you hope to be able to leave on the bottom bulb and still get a good reaction time. Most guys flicker the stage bulb in order to be in the same position everytime.

 

Not all classes allow the use of a delay box. Deep staging as I have used it was for a relatively slow moving, slow reacting vehicle that didn't clear the beams quickly. So, by deep staging you hope to be able to leave on the bottom bulb and still get a good reaction time. .

THIS^
My car just can't seem to get out of the beams as quick as it used to.
I'm guessing at the last amber instead of seeing it.

 

I'm all for it since everyone that's lined up against me that deep staged went red!

 

Do everything the same way every time, for consistency. End of story.

Shallow will help ET & hurt RT. Deep will hurt ET but help RT.

 

some clueless comments about deep staging in this thread and yes, I deep staged for the 2 decades.

 

^ Ed, serious question for you that I never got an answer to, I get a " I don't know" answer when I ask..What is the reason that box cars are not allowed to deep stage? It's an automatic red light.

 

the reason is the vocal minority complained, at least that is why in NHRA Division 1. Wasn't always this way, I and many other footbrake deep stagers used to compete in Super Pro deep staging. Matter of fact, I won Super Pro at ETown back in the early 2000s deep staging before the rule was changed and become known as the Sisko rule who was killing them at Atco in a 12 second Cutlass deep staging.

 

^ so pretty much there is no real reason,other than people bitched about it. Is that what you are saying? And to be clear to anyone reading this who does not know, it's not just box cars, bottom bulb racers when entered I the box class are not allowed to go deep either

 

correct no reason other than to satisfy the crybabies driving pipe racks that were getting beat regularly by much slower door cars.

 

Incorrect. From what I know at the NHRA Division 1 finals at Delaware a few years ago, a racer took advantage of the deep staging rules that said starter had to wait for driver to deep stage. Said driver played all kinds of games, Pulling in completely before other racer prestaged, as soon as other racer prestaged starter activated tree so non deepstager only had 7 seconds to get staged. . Also deep stager Pulled into prestage, waited till other driver fully staged and pulled into fully staged, then waited 20 seconds or more to deep stage because starter was holding the tree waiting for deep staging, while other racer was on 2 step. So division 1 NHRA outlawed deep staging in their summit series bracket series.

1 person ruined it for everyone.

Most tracks around here now allow deep staging but will not wait for you to go deep, so get in quick.

It does help slow cars get a good light leaving on last yellow or pro tree