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I have been fighting a problem all year.

First, I know it is not optimal, but my radiator cap is slightly lower in the car than where the upper rad hose comes out of the intake manifold (around 2" lower), but still higher than the heads and intake manifold, just the 90deg hose out of the manifold is higher. I was originally running a 16psi rad cap. I would fill the rad up with water, turn electric water pump on to bleed air and top up.
Then when I run the car at the track, 1/8 mile drag racing, at around 500ft, it pushes water out, fills up the overflow 1 liter can and sprays water out when overflow full. Empty overflow can, make another run and same thing happens. 3rd run is fine cause there is so much water missing in rad/engine. If I re-add water, same issue. Not sure if it matters, but overflow can is lower than top of rad.

I switched to a 20psi rad cap and installed 0-30psi pressure sensor I had at the shop to monitor coolant pressure. Nothing changed, same exact thing happens. I looked at data and can clearly see that the rad cap opened at 16-17psi and it was a very slow climb to 16-17psi, so no signs of compression leaking in coolant system which I thought was the issue. Rad cap opens, pushes water out around 500ft, closes back up and all good for rest of the run. I should add that engine never gets over 175-180deg of coolant temp and most runs is around 160deg.

I don't want to run the engine/rad low enough with water to prevent this since it will pretty much not have much water in the heads.

Any idea what the issue could be? Do I need a higher psi rad cap? Do I need to install a remote rad cap at the highest point of the coolant system? Is it compression leaking in even though it is slow rise to 16-17psi?

It is not pulling the water back in when engine gets cold, but it is an overflow can and not an expansion one, so I guess that makes sense.

This is on a SBC with an F1X on methanol currently running 22-24psi of boost if that makes any difference.

Thanks in advance. I am at a lost!!
 
Remote rad cap at the highest point would be step 1. Even with the rad full, you will still have an air pocket in the high point, which will be pushed into the rad under acceleration, which will open the cap and let out water with the boiling air.
 
I had similar problem, pushing water out. And kind of the same setup. Pressure tested system, ok. So I drilled and tapped the top of the t stat housing and installed a petcock . Opened pet cock and turned pump on. Bled air out of system for 15 or so minutes. Haven't added water since. Been almost a year. Good luck Cory
 
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Yours was pushing water as well and once you install that higher rad cap it fixed it?
I had a totally different issue, it was a big block on gas and had trouble keeping it cool, was often 210 plus by the time I got back to the pits. It did make maintaining level easier.
I would pressure each cylinder as others have suggested just to be sure it's not a compression leak.
 
On my car the radiator cap is slightly lower than the thermostat hsng. I check the level with the water pump running just like Meizere suggests. My overflow is made so it has a tube to the bottom so any water that pushes into it when hot will be drawn back in when it all cools.
Simple check for a head gasket. Remove the thermostat housing and have the water visible in the manifold. start the engine but don't run the water pump. If there is compression leaking into the cooling system you will see bubbles rising. You can even tell which bank they are coming from.
 
At what point in the system are you checking pressure? The pressure in the block below the t/s restriction should be around 30 psi at speed , do you have a restriction at the tstat housing. ?
Older corvettes have a remote rad cap look at that system for ideas.
 
I am checking pressure in the intake manifold. I do not run a thermostat restrictor. I took it out last winter as I was advised to not run one.
Then the pressure at the cap will be whatever the expansion + water pump in my opinion a restriction is necessary. I see 35 psi in sbc dirt track cars with Thermostat installed 22 psi cap. I know this is different from your situation. Post a picture of your setup.
 
Can you confirm that you purged the cooling circuit of all air?

And being a vertical flow rad, that's a challenge.

Install a recovery / expansion tank.
 
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