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Welding pinch point

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#1 ·
What size cups are you guys using when welding pushrod pinch area? Space gets really tight towards the top of the runner. Heads im working with are Patriot sbc 220. Thanks
 
#2 ·
you might need a weldcraft micro tig torch or wp-24w and wp-24 if it isnt water cooled depending on how tight it is.
I dont know if just a small cup is going to let you get in there if its really tight.
on my dynasty 350 i have a standard weldcraft torch pretty short cup and a short back cap it gets in most places
 
#4 ·
I haven't removed any material, but it looks like i can mill some casting off the rocker pad. Its pretty beefed up in that area. That should free up some room to work. I looked into the micro torches too. Maybe i can get by with what i got. Just need to build up some so i can get more area. Thanks for advice.
 
#6 ·
Yea they are SBC Patriot 220. Cnc from patriot & gasket matched to 1206. After the port entrance it chocks down really bad. They are for a customers engine & buying bigger heads is like askin him to jump off a bridge lol. short block is a 436 sbc with 14.1 cr. just tryn to get most i can out of these castings. thanks
 
#7 ·
Is there a certain area i can open up to at the pinch point without having them sent off & some program done to them. Tryn not to be a cheap a$$ but he has got a good bit of money in them already. The extra cost of cnc from Patriot & now the runners have been welded. Maybe can get by with a .250-3.50 offset rocker? Kinda bad decision on head selection, but tryn to make the best of it.
 
#13 ·
No i havent't really measured the rest or the port. They were cnc'd from patriot but that dont mean there has been alot of material removed. The port just looks ridiculous. It's got a good size 1206 opening & then the pinch area looks like it protrudes into half of the runner making it look tiny.
 
#14 ·
Raise and lower the port as much as you can before welding, if your not running shaft rockers I think .150 offset is about all you can get.

Honestly if you don't have access to a flow bench to check air speed and profile you may hurt what you have, if the port is balanced to keep the short turn in check, opening the pinch can go into choke quicker.
If it's truely a budget and just want to try it, by all means open the pinch as wide as you can before breaking through the weld. You should be able to get 2.5sq" or so with a standard rocker/pushrod design.
 
#15 ·
Ok guys, thanks for all the help & advice. Decided to send them off & have them worked with flow bench results. Read too many things about air speed Just to start opening them up without a way to test what is going on. Thanks