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I Think My Cam Is Cracked

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#1 ·
It looks like I see hairline cracks in a couple of the lobes. They look like they form a web of small cracks on one of them. The cam has been run for a long time and is a solid roller. Is this a normal place for them to crack, or am I seeing something else? I figured they would be more likely to crack in the core itself rather than across the face of the lobe. Anyone had this problem? Thanks
 
#14 ·
as stated above post is correct in content.

i n other words,

the cam blank core that the grinder used to make this exact cam,..was not large enough or did npot have enough material to make the LSA or whatever, so the material was relative-ly "soft" in comparison to other lobes.
the basic "cam core" is made to allow any number of finished lobes, heat treated and such..with a certain aspect allowance to fit within certain range of finished lobe shapes,,,at least 3 or 4 so such cores exist for common engines.

a SADI core is the cheapest
then there are a number of flame hardened types
including 4140
then 8620
then 9310.

every maker of the basic core has their own spec as to the final heat treatment, to give them the desired effect.
 
#12 ·
More then liekly that was a 8620 steel core and it was not carburized deep enough.
Pressure from the roller is trying to break thru the carb layer.

For those that don't know, 8620 is a common grade of steel used for making cams. After the lobes are ground the cam goes thru a carburizing process followed by Heat Treatment. The carburizing increased the surface hardness but leaves a tough core.

The same process is performed on 8620 & 9310 rear end gear sets.
 
#13 ·
The lobes may be rough ground prior to heat treatment (carburizing, hardening, and tempering), but often the core has a lobe blank shape that can accommodate a number of final lobe shapes and a range of Lobe Centerline Angles.

The journals and lobes are finish ground after heat treatment. Some steel flat tappet cams do get ion nitrided after all finish grinding is done.

If you try to push the LCA either too much wider or narrower than the blank core was made for, you can get just what is shown in the OP's pic. If the opposite flank doesn't have the cracking, that would be a good indication that the LCA was out of range of the core.

Other things like Intake Centerline (advanced/retarded from the keyway) and duration may also cause similar problems. An unstable valvetrain with the lifter going into uncontrolled lofting and hard landing on the closing flank could also crack a thin "case".

I think the OP dodged a bullet here by removing the cam before the case completly failed.

FWIW, most final drive ring and pinion gears are not ground, so the tooth forms are finished prior to heat treatment. Often there is a rough and finish generation (milling) of the teeth. Some gearsets are lapped as matched pairs after heat treating to minimize noise. I suspect very expensive sets are lapped as well as Micronited (superfinished).


My $.02


Jon
 
#10 ·
cant fix it



buy another cam


make certain that the core material is 9310....
Just curious: Why are you recommending a carburizing grade alloy designed to resist high impact loads, and generally run at a surface hardness lower than Rc60 just for that reason?

Why not 8620 if it's carburized or 5150 if it's induction hardened?

As I said, just curious...

Jon
 
#5 ·
are you referring to the horizontal lines that are in the area of where the lifter roller wheels are running....??

the indicated area is going to dig in to the surface and this is commonly due to the original cam core not being heat treated deep enough in comparison to the lobe shape that is being employed.

need a photo of the overall cam to know what the material was / is.
 
#6 ·
Yes the lines on the lobe running across the surface the roller runs on. It is a Cam Motion stick. I only see this on two of the lobes the one pictured is the worse, the other one (not in the picture) you can barely make out the lines on it. I was wondering if it had something to do with heat treatment.