I see that series is spiraling down the shitter also.

 

Actually TA2 is growing rapidly, it's a cheap series to run.

 

No different than all of the drag cars LS powered

 

I honestly didn't think Trans-Am was still around anyway.

 

Me either. The winner of the event gets a bottle of ripple wine with a free night at the local motel 6 to celebrate with the ls drag crowd.

 

Has anyone checked on Henry Floored?
seems awkward

 

Don't look like a backyard build and race program to me. LMAO
When I say cheap, I mean Dad and Son middle income maybe, 5-10K build.
Shock Absorbers - $925 each
Brake Calipers - $550 each
Brake Pads- $250 per axle
Wheels – $175 each
Headers - $1,850 a set
Complete Exhaust System - $2,200

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GM LS3: Katech
Ford: Koury Race Engines
Dodge Hemi: Koury Race Engines

 

Spec Series now.......nobody watches at all......ever.

 

🤣 🤣 🤣

 

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I was hoping it would be a 351 Cleveland.

 

It is a 351 Cleveland. GM never built an engine whose origins didn't lie with the 351C. Phucking thieves, anyway.

 

What's TA1 run?

 

The "old" carbureted Nascar cup engines. With the sequential gearboxes they cut ignition on the shifts and they boom like hell out the exhaust. Fun class to watch, especially in the rain. No ABS or TC., 850hp, 2600 lbs, gotta drive it old school.

 

Not a fan of spec engines. Seen it at the local level hurt a lot of engine shops. And kills innovation/thinking out side the box, etc..

 

With all series cost at some point becomes the one who wins has the most money. You either have a spec series or BOP when it reaches that point.

 

Cross-breeding is never a good idea, especially iin racing something like Trans-Am

 

No it will kill the series as a spectator sport.

 

Saw a race car with a spec engine a few days ago. Ford power, the Focus 2 L Zetec is the only one allowed in some circle race sprint type car. So sponsorship from a Chevy dealer and you run a Ford engine. So much for "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday".

 

Down in Australia they have a similar series only there are two “spec” engines you can run. One is some version of the “L” isping “S” issy motor and the other a Coyote.

Long story short they had to dumb the Ford down and cheat the Chevy up to make them “equal”. 🤣🤣🤣

 

I think the Coyote has too long of legs for the Chevs to stay close. Could an LS be built to keep up? Certainly! But at that point it’s just a built motor like the ones they’re trying to move away from.

 

I think the Coyote has too long of legs for the Chevs to stay close. Could an LS be built to keep up? Certainly! But at that point it’s just a built motor like the ones they’re trying to move away from.
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But that was the beauty of Trans-Am--- an arena that allowed the manufacturer to show what they could do. All this shows is what someone can piece together based on their own ideas as opposed to what a factory is capable of developing.

 

The Ford deniers will try to spin this but it’s a fact that the Coyote is one helluva lot of race tech wrapped up in a production engine. Like Formula 1 tech.

Series like Trans Am and those Southwestern Late Models and others that spec an LS and write the Coyote out are really sticking it in America’s technological ass!

Why would the very best of American ingenuity be written out of competition?

Because most of these guys thinking this stuff up just suck. Plain and simple.

 

Anybody want to take a guess at what engine they run in the Nascar Truck series for all makes??

 

LS

 

A better competition, IMO, would be a Coyote (302 cu. in) against a similar sized LS motor with perhaps the cam moved to allow for a bigger cam. Use stack F.I., a dry sump system, long-tube headers and allow any head modification THEN let the 2 run. My guess is the Coyote would run away with it in the straights & the LS would out-torque it in the esses or turns making for some good 'ol fender-banging competition especially out of the turns

 

Hey it’s pretty easy to guess the purpose of these threads is to annoy the Ford guys. Apparently the Mopar guys love it.

The problem is spec engines make racing less interesting. But Henry but Henry what about the Offy 270 at Indy. That dominated for years and years.

That’s ☝cool with me and perfectly understandable.

As an observer of these things and being able to reach a ways back into the memory banks for reference I have noticed that whenever something other than a sbc or bbc starts to dominate you start to see “adjustments“ to whoa anything else down. Why? What purpose does that serve?

Well probably the biggest thing is the industry is geared to chevrolet. Like I recently mentioned every shop in town builds them. They’re pretty good and lets give credit where credit is due.

What you won’t see is a sanctioning body ever choose anything besides a billet hemi or an sbc or LS as a spec engine.

It would be a cold day in hell before the Mopheads would accept a billet Boss 429 like Walt Austin’s hemi killer or a Coyote in a chubby chasing Camaro Trans Am car.

It just isn’t done. Forget the advantages of the billet Boss for a minute and let’s dwell on the Coyote as a spec engine.

There are production versions of Coyote engines that could stand a season of racing with seals on them. They are an ”everything“ motor. You don’t need much besides headers and a race tune to sail past 500 reliable horsepower.

I believe if Trans Am allowed Ford‘s Coyote in to race it would require some sturdy reigns to pull them back enough to keep the Camaros in the show.

 

Hey it’s pretty easy to guess the purpose of these threads is to annoy the Ford guys. Apparently the Mopar guys love it.

The problem is spec engines make racing less interesting. But Henry but Henry what about the Offy 270 at Indy. That dominated for years and years.

That’s ☝cool with me and perfectly understandable.

As an observer of these things and being able to reach a ways back into the memory banks for reference I have noticed that whenever something other than a sbc or bbc starts to dominate you start to see “adjustments“ to whoa anything else down. Why? What purpose does that serve?

Well probably the biggest thing is the industry is geared to chevrolet. Like I recently mentioned every shop in town builds them. They’re pretty good and lets give credit where credit is due.

What you won’t see is a sanctioning body ever choose anything besides a billet hemi or an sbc or LS as a spec engine.

It would be a cold day in hell before the Mopheads would accept a billet Boss 429 like Walt Austin’s hemi killer or a Coyote in a chubby chasing Camaro Trans Am car.

It just isn’t done. Forget the advantages of the billet Boss for a minute and let’s dwell on the Coyote as a spec engine.

There are production versions of Coyote engines that could stand a season of racing with seals on them. They are an ”everything“ motor. You don’t need much besides headers and a race tune to sail past 500 reliable horsepower.

I believe if Trans Am allowed Ford‘s Coyote in to race it would require some sturdy reigns to pull them back enough to keep the Camaros in the show.

Despite the screen name, I actually like all brands, seeing a "plus" in every make. The thing with Ford, and my guess is many would agree, is that they do things half-way. That is, they have some great ideas, use it for 2-4- years than abandon it. Various BBF heads, the Boss 302, SOHC motor, Le Mans, Drag racing, various NASCAR tactics, it all shows Ford does good (great?) stuff but leaves the consumer/racer short when they're needed. As to the Coyote--- why limit it to 302 cubes. Why not a big-block version? Why not FACTORY intake options? And the Boss429 , like the Cammer was a great idea! But in typical Ford fashion they dropped it leaving any tech support up to guys that either had big bucks (a minority) or didn't know what they were doing (the majority. Sorry---you have something of a pro=Ford Moparite here but one that realizes Ford comes up short by their own choice. And the sanctioning bodies? If the engines own manufacturer/designer won't support it, why should they? It'd just prove to be a dead-end for a group whose purpose, let's admit it, is to make money also. The only real answer is to establish an entirely new sanctioning body but (Again) that means money.

 

Just a quick question for the Trans Am purists up in here. Trans Am has historically been a 5 liter limit on engine displacement. I think the highest I saw engines was 311” in the tube frame era.

The Ford Coyote motor is still a 5.0 liter. How many liters is this LS3 based spec engine again?

Can a 5.0 liter LS carry the water against a Coyote? Can a 5.3?

Well how big do we go to “equalize” the outcome? You’re saying 6.0? Wow! That’s a nice gift!

Hey Trans Am if you want me back make ‘em all run 5.0’s and make ‘em all run factory castings. We’ll get some butts in the stands to see that. Until then I’ve got some paint I’d rather watch drying.

 

You seem to need some butt paste.

Do you really think that Coyote will take one rebuild and last an entire Trans Am TA2 season like the LS does for the same amount of money?


I already know the answer, but you go ahead and dig that hole.

 

The series is losing value from the spec aspect of the engine rule. That’s all I’m saying. It’s just more interesting and waaay cooler if anyone can take a shot.

 

LOL, you Ford guys, NONE of the things you listed has to do with racing a TA2 car....not one, zero zilch.

Every damn one of you know the Coyote isn't going to last a full season of Trans Am racing on one rebuild......stop crying, it is what it is.

Giving other examples of street duty BS isn't relevant.

Giving examples of drag cars isn't relevant.

Why does NASCAR have the same type of engine in it's trucks? Cheap reliable HP, something a Ford has never been known for......ever.


BTW, people don't take 4.6 liter turds out of junkyards and......well, for any reason.

A TA2 car has a 6 liter LS engine in it just under 500hp, a 6 liter LS makes that power sitting on the couch basically, that's why it's easy to make reliable. Support for that platform is everywhere and highly developed and that's what makes it cheap.



Although this is very cool and will be fun to watch, these Coyotes won't be run all season on one rebuild.

Gen3 Ford Mustang Supercar will use Coyote V8: Dick Johnson Racing

DJR confirms exclusively to MOTOR that it is working on Ford Coyote V8 power for 2022 Gen 3 regulations | MOTOR

www.whichcar.com.au

 

LOL, you Ford guys, NONE of the things you listed has to do with racing a TA2 car....not one, zero zilch.

Every damn one of you know the Coyote isn't going to last a full season of Trans Am racing on one rebuild......stop crying, it is what it is.

Giving other examples of street duty BS isn't relevant.

Giving examples of drag cars isn't relevant.

Why does NASCAR have the same type of engine in it's trucks? Cheap reliable HP, something a Ford has never been known for......ever.


BTW, people don't take 4.6 liter turds out of junkyards and......well, for any reason.

A TA2 car has a 6 liter LS engine in it just under 500hp, a 6 liter LS makes that power sitting on the couch basically, that's why it's easy to make reliable. Support for that platform is everywhere and highly developed and that's what makes it cheap.


Although this is very cool and will be fun to watch, these Coyotes won't be run all season on one rebuild.

Gen3 Ford Mustang Supercar will use Coyote V8: Dick Johnson Racing

DJR confirms exclusively to MOTOR that it is working on Ford Coyote V8 power for 2022 Gen 3 regulations | MOTOR

www.whichcar.com.au

I won’t mention that the link you shared pretty much contradicts your main points.

I will however share with you what the Australians seem to be able to do while we Yanks can’t seem to figure it out.

Just have a look at this video (if you care to) and tell me it can’t be done with a Ford.

 

The ideal race car to all these sanctioning groups is carbon copy’s / everyone runs the same exact thing with different paint jobs and stickers.
Winning with innovation by brilliant people and superior design is frowned upon.
Bottom line … communism has saturated every aspect of life even racing.

 

The ideal race car to all these sanctioning groups is carbon copy’s / everyone runs the same exact thing with different paint jobs and stickers.
Winning with innovation by brilliant people and superior design is frowned upon.
Bottom line … communism has saturated every aspect of life even racing.

I seem to recall that TA2 is specifically a class meant to be "cheaper" to encourage more competitors. Every part of the car is specified to maintain a lower price of entry. TA1 is the balls-to-the-wall class but with a price to match. Granted, I'm not sure how much innovation goes on in TA1 either.

 

There should be at least two options.

 

I believe TA2 is similar to other series that are going to spec engines. There are built SBF and SBC options usually but they are eventually rendered uncompetitive.

 

Never cared for "spec engine" racing. I don't care what reasons they give - it's just lame IMO.

 

Yes for sure……and as big of a Ford nut I am, I still want to see different makes mixing it up in the engine department. Makes for some great rivalries and is far more interesting to me.