what i gathered was you or someone took out the brass ones and put plastic ones in and forgot to tighten them down and want to blame someone else cause you are a dip shit

 

Your a fuck face. Trying to be a keyboard bad ass.
This is not trash or be trashed.
So take your stupid ass over their and let the real racers talk about real racing issues.

This is a issue.
We saw this same issue this summer. A friend of mine brought his car to the track this summer so we could tune it.
I went to set the floats and the plugs were melting..

I didn't install them in this car. When it showed up they were in it. He just got the car running so they weren't in it long..

This is a good thread to the fact a guy may just buy a used carb and these clear plugs are in it and wouldn't have gotten to read the package the plugs came in.

This thread may save a guy from losing his car or house or prevent a injury.

Thanks OP and sorry about your luck..

 

Well I really didn't read all that shit but I've used them and they're a shit product. I put them on my truck and the gas dissolved them in no time. Just pump gas nothing exotic, the threaded part melted and the outside part fell off. I guess I'm a dipshit tooo!

 

totally agree
happened to me, and 3 other people i know
the last few carbs have come with built in glass so WAY easier

 

plastic sight plugs ............... fuel all over the place..... and flames............... 110 race fuel .

I uh, FIXED your post, see below:


FIXED:

You cannot break it if it's broken, but you can fix it so it cannot be fixed. I've fixed a few things in my lifetime.

 

They are just a temporary tuning aid to view/adjust the fuel level while the engine is running and then replace with the original brass plugs after done tuning. I don't even like the current trend to the glass sites. Still potential for leaks/fire.

 

This.

Rick

 

In my "yuth" I once had a '60 Ford Falcoon with the mighty 144 CID, 85 BHP six. It had a Holley 1 barrel with a GLASS float bowl. I did manage to drop it and chip it, so even back then, I was "fixing" things.

On a side note, I also managed to trash the tiny 3 speed gearbox. If I recall, a .....uh, "cough" "rebuilt" at the junk yard cost me 75 bucks. This was about 1967

 

All of those plastic screw in sight plugs are only meant to be used for and during the float level setting procedure. Most of the manufactures state this on the packaging that comes with them. Things like the op mentioned can and will happen if they are left in the bowls.

 

This is what the speed shop here locally told me when I bought a set. Install, set float level, then reinstall brass plugs.

This was last summer and I had never heard this before.

 

This is the best way per Bob Book.

 

This is the best way per Bob Book.

My shitty 850 Demon has that style in from new.

 

Never had an issue, been in there 7 years.

 

" allowing raw 110 race fuel to squirt all over the engine" ....How high was the float level?

 

Unbelievable. The man is trying to warn others about an issue that some may not know about and some of you rip him apart. How fucking sad.

 

I used some of those for maybe 4-5 years back in the 90's.
Never had any problems with them.
Maybe they have started using a different plastic now........

 

Been an issue for years....maybe a decade + ?

But thanks for the reminder.

 

I see them on occasion, and have used them long time ago. They don't last very long, not worth the risk. Fuels soften the material and they break thru the threads. Set your floats with a caliper and put the brass screws back in. With the new sight glass bowls bowls the material is good for any fuel.

 

Well, i didn't fucking know this!

Thanks OP! Could've been bad up in here. Guess I'm draining my carb and getting brass. I didn't understand why they were in there in the first place but thought it looked neat.....

 

I always thought this was common knowledge. They are only intended for tuning and should be removed once floats are set. If you want to see fuel level the bowls with the sightglass built into them is the only way to go.

 

Not for us newbies. I come from EFI and wanted something different in my stable. Im still learning stuff that a lot of people here consider common knowledge about carbed engines.

 

never had them fall out..fog over so you cant see the level and wont come out without breaking and have to drill out remains, JUNK

 

As has been mentioned, are there different grades of plastic?

Reason I ask is, I have gone thru 3 Pro Systems carbs over the years. All selected and installed at BES and all have had the sight glasses which, I believe, are plastic. No one has ever mentioned this to me before or even include brass plugs with the carbs.

 

I put moroso ones in the six pac I had on my car back in the late 80's and they are still in the carbs. I was using them up to 3 years ago.
Might be the new fuels. They had 110 Sunoco in them most of the time.

 

Meh, never could see the float level real good with them anyway. When you shake the car it just "blinks", can't get a good reading.

 

Thanks, I think it's a good post & reminder. I've never personally used them, but I'd considered it in the past.learn something new everyday, thankfully the easy way.

 

So your on here to warn others about your mistake for buying some cheap plastic sight plugs that jegs and other vendors sell. That's fine and if it saves others problems than the post you've taken out is well worth it.

Nothing governs this industry and shopping for cheap quick fixes via mail order rags does not help racers either. Take the time to learn how to properly set float levels and no one will have any issues. The proper way is to set them off the carb and upside down. No window or glass should ever be incorporated into a float bowl, nor should a fuel pressure gauge be on a race vehicle during operation. If you feel you have a fuel pressure issue, than install it to check your issue. If you feel you have a float level issue, take them off and set them correctly and re-install.

 

Why shouldn't there be a fuel pressure gauge during operation? You could end up chasing another issue when it turns out to be fuel pressure. And even with a gauge you don't necessarily get a chance to see it on the top end, especially if bracket or index racing (where you are focused on driving the finish line). I learned of a fuel pressure problem after the end of the season, reading datalogs, yet nothing showed up in the car's performance.

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I think he was referring to the initial angle the throttle linkage is pulling from, placing excessive force on the throttle shaft bushings.

 

To clear some of this whole mess up....that was my son who is the OP . I told him it was ok to come on here and maybe help some other new guy or kid learn from the mistake.

First of all I bought them so he could see the fuel level in his bowls on the 650 HP carb we built from parts and pieces I had laying around the shop so he could understand everything in his carb and how it worked and why.

2nd. They were the Jegs brand plugs not the Moroso ones.....I assume there might be a difference in material seeing as how some say they have had them for years with no problem.

3rd. They were never intended to be in the carb as long as they have because I was always going to get a set of bowls with the new windows in them that work great and nobody has had major issues with.

4th. The fuel levels to his bowls were set by me with the bowls off and holding them upside down. I have used this way of setting them for years and never had an issue for racing or street driving period.

5th. And lastly.....To those who ripped my 17 yr old son a new one because his post was so long or said he was a dumb shit.....If you have an issue with him ( this is his first drag car of any kind because we never had the coin to spend on Jr. Dragsters ) so when he typed the post he was still scared and excited for several reasons the main one being he and I have been building his Nova since 2010 and this last summer was the first chance he had to go to the track and race it and honestly we both were really proud of how this wrecked pile of junk turned into a really good looking Rally Nova Strip/Street car but I think he was more scared because the car was on jackstands in our brand new shop.....the kind of shop every guy dreams of all his life.....and he was more worried about burning it to the ground than anything.
This is why I gave him my permission to come on this forum not T.O.B.T. because guys would take the time to understand hi is a young kid just starting out and maybe cut him a little slack......but the wanna be arm chair keyboard tough guys came out of the woodwork to pounce on him and try to make him feel like an idiot.....well guess what.....you guys are the same ones who are going to be rude to some young guy at the track who asks dumb questions and or laugh at their car and act like your king shit and they are not worthy of your time.....you idiots can't see that by doing that you are chasing away the next generation of racers or your teaching them to be just as big of an ass hat as you are because that is what they think is what it takes to get respect......you sicken me you ignorant wretches.....your not even smart enough to see every time you do that stupid shit your only hurting your self in the long run......so you go ahead and keep running your mouths instead of your cars and we the guys who do care and actually want to help these young people keep cleaning up your shitty dumb ass mistakes. I know this much it will be a LONG time before he ever post's anything on this or any other Drag Racing site period and all because of a couple 3 ASSHOLES .....by the way if any of them have Issue with me or my Kid......if you get to feeling froggy and wanna jump....just say the word....cause I AM OLD SCHOOL AND I BELIEVE IN TAKING CARE OF THINGS LIKE THIS UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL....

 

I didn't really rip him but it's obvious the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Wow!

 

Didn't read all the post but THANKS for taking the time to teach your Son the sport. I'm almost 60 now and my 27 year old loves racing. We all make mistakes and we ALL learn from them. Nice to see people working on their race cars and not paying someone to do everything for them. Be safe and HAVE FUN.

 

To those who ripped my 17 yr old son a new one because his post was so long or said he was a dumb shit.....If you have an issue with him ( this is his first drag car of any kind because we never had the coin to spend on Jr. Dragsters ) so when he typed the post he was still scared and excited for several reasons

No one knew his age until you just made mention of it. It's a good thing that he can learn from yours and other mistakes. It's how you learn right from wrong. jegs sells a lot of knock off junk/shit. Buyer beware. They do very well on this knock off stuff. If they really cared about the racer, they would re-evaluate offering this garbage that they make quite a bit of profit margin on. I've heard horror stories on fuel and oil fittings breaking as well. You get what you pay for. We need to take responsibility for our own actions. No different than trying to rely on the government for advice and assistance.