i believe you have to send it back to bg and let them rebuild it... seems like they dont sell rebuild kits... but i dont swear by this

 

Yup, at least it was this way a few years back. BG's opininon is their customers are to stupid to rebuild it themselves..... The parts can be had at most bearing shops or it looks like the link in the other post has the parts too. After dealing with BG once, they'll never see a dime from me again....

 

Pretty common issue. Here is what you needf to fix it yourself.
http://www.racingjunk.com/category/...folds_and_carbs/post/1017533/Barry-Grant-BG400-BG280-BG-220-fuel-pump-seal.html

 

Oh Boy... Here we go..:smt110


IN!!!

 

Oh Boy... Here we go..:smt110


IN!!!

Hmmm.... guessing this has been discussed before. My bad

 

Yeah, there was a previous post about it. The long and short is that when you send a BG item back to BG, they rebuild it and test it to make sure it is back to factory specs. I had to do that with a regulatro as well a couple years back. They would not sell the rebuild kit for the reg. You have to pay for parts adn shipping, no labor, I think is what it was, so it cost me 45 or 50 bucks to rebuild a reg for a 10 dollar kit. Probably won't happen on my dime again, if you know what I mean.

James

 

If you decide to rebuild it yourself it's not hard BUT there are about 6 small vanes ( don't remember exact amount) in the bottom of the pump they are directional and have a small bevel cut on 1 side, so they only go in 1 way, make sure they go in the way they came out. There's a plastic basket in the bottom and if you put 1 or any in the wrong way it will tear the basket up. Just keep this in mind when you rebuild.

 

i believe magna fuel has the parts you need ...as the pumps are the same design...

 

In on one, I heard Barry bought a one way ticket to some unpublished location.

 

You whiney-ass drag race wannabee heroes are something else. Denny Savage, I have no idea who you are. If I knew you, that's just how memorable you are to me. My guess is you're an old no-name four-wheel time bomb driver.

This is America - and as a consumer you have the right to support a company or not. But how about a little facts first. After many years of racing myself, and dealing with racers having fuel delivery problems, I introduced the BG 300. At that time I lived in my shop without running water, shit in the woods, took showers under a tree with a camp shower while working 100 to 120 hours a week while battling fatigue from Hepatitis C which I got from blood transfusions after a sledding accident at age 11. I was a heavy equipment mechanic and having intimate knowledge of pumps and fluids, but did damage to my back doing that work and was in a wheelchair most of the time when not in public. Anyone who has ever seen me at SEMA or PRI used to always see me in scooter. Over the last 3 years I have had 2 spinal surgeries and no longer need the wheelchair. Denny, you couldn't carry my jock strap.

I then came out with the BG 400 - derivitives of which then became Product Engineering and Magnafuel. The design was made rebuildable as I was throwing away 4 to 6 pumps a year on my own race car and often having to wrap rags around them to get through a night of drag racing. If not for me you would not have anything but the 5-6 psi Carter or the Holley blue pump. I started the super high-volume fuel pump industry with the 300 to fix a need. Planned obsolescence?? For $25 to replace a seal?? Are you guys nuts? Why do they come in for service? A guy on the other thread said he bought a used Magnafuel pump, and burned a piston. And I don't trash Magnafuel products, they are a competitor and build a good product. But theirs wear just like ours do. You are not putting 6 or 8 of theirs on a year, nor of mine. How many motors of you guys have I saved by catching a fuel pump before it went bad? Motors burn up for many reasons and components can go bad at any time, so isn't it better to do a little preventative maintenance? Gasoline is a very harsh liquid to pump and to seal. Get gas on your hands, doesn't your hands turn white as it dries out your hands? Do you think maybe it does that to a seal as well?

You put a seal in your pump, you don't have a flow bench, you don't check the pressure, volume or amperage draw, so how do you know that even though your pump is leaking that is not ready to let you down and burn your engine up? So for this kind of conscienciousness, I get motherfucked. With 80,000 units in the field, we see 1.5% of the total units in the field every year for service. Do you expect any product that you buy for your racecar for $400 to last indefinitely? I'm sorry - I'm not that smart. But neither is anybody else. We have a year of research and development in trying to find a seal that is even better than what has been so successful for over 20 years - and retrofit into the old fuel pump bodies. Once again, motherfucked for trying to treat my customers the way I want to be treated as a customer. I could have found a kickass seal and obsoleted all the old bodies, making all you guys have to buy a new pump from me or someone else. I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

Hourly workers?? I employ American workers at wages well above the average with bonuses, medical insurance, paid vacations, paid sick time and 401k. I buy components for our products from American companies.

Denny says that he has had to work on our stuff at drag racing schools. I have been to many racing schools and they are harder on components because of their round robin day in and day out usage than any racer would ever be. So anything he has to say is of no value.

King demons (puke)?? Then how come I consistently have them on order and can never get caught up? I had a racer tell me last weekend that he has had his on his car since 2000 and hasn't touched it.

Haven't gotten contingency money that you were owed in 1985?? I don't even know if I was a contingency sponsor in 1985. Give me a break!

I tell you boys what. Starting September 1, all pumps that come in that aren't returned in 7 business days from date of receipt, not including weekends, or freight time back to you, whether it needs a seal or complete rebuild, it'll be free.

By the way, why don't you trash MSD for not selling you resistors and capacitors so that you could solder them and fix your own MSD boards? Competition Cams for not giving you the technique and welding rod for welding up cam journals?

I have given my whole life to building good components for the racing community. I have won the Daytona 500, Trans Am Series, set Pro Stock records, IHRA Championships - 5 in a row. Demon carburetors are used in all the Richard Petty school cars all over the world, Jeff Gordon School cars, Mario Andretti School cars and the IROC series until it closed, the first ProMod in the 6.70's 6.60's, 6.50's and 6.40's. I had a ProMod racer who burned up a motor with a new car after he plumbed it differently that I had instructed him to plumb it. His prior car was plumbed the way I told him and he never hurt anything. But of course I was to blame. Charles Carpenter has used my fuel pumps for over 20 years. I like Charles, but I bet I don't hear from him but every couple of years to get his pumps freshened.

Buy my stuff if you choose, because I have been here for 24 years and I don't expect to be going anywhere. I'm important to the industry, otherwise who would people have to copy? I do not sit in some ivory tower. I work every day 6 to 7 days a week either at my manufacturing plant or in Concord at our R&D facility.

Treat everyone who builds parts for you like this and you'll wind up having to build your own parts. Other manufacturers have told me that they are tired of busting their butts for racers that never seem to appreciate their efforts. You don't have to drag race - you choose to - just like myself. I love drag racing and have given my whole life to it, but if none of us ever pulled to the starting line again, the world will go on.

Adam comes on this board to help those who need help - not to be run through the coals. He has been with me 16 years and was moved into his position because the service that the prior person in that job was giving customers was unacceptable. By the way he is a hotrodder and a racer. And he is not hourly. He busts his ass 60 hours a week.

Do not expect a response to anything you may have to say as a rebuttal to this. For those of you who are a customer, we appreciate you and are here to service you. Private message Adam and he'll help you. Those of you that don't like me - Barry Grant doesn’t suck - you do.

Barry Grant
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You are welcome denny! LOL!

 

Those of you that don't like me - Barry Grant doesn’t suck - you do.


Barry Grant
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Barry Grant, Inc.
www.barrygrant.com

Dealer Inquiries Welcome

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You are welcome denny! LOL!

NAY just your junk parts you sell to the consumers Barry...

Here's one for ya then,, hows come you've had a friend of mine fuel pump 3 TIMES and they won't last but 4-6 months total..????

If you think i'm calling bullshit on this i can PM you the guys name and home phone number..

A matter of FACT you yourself were at Norwalk the second time the pump failed and you yourself told him to send it back to your company and it would be fixed free of charge and ended up being a $190.00 (or so) bill attached to it..??

 

You can call Product Engineering fuel pumps. He has the kits to rebuild the pump. All the electric pumps that are of that design will leak. usually it is just a seal. Not hard to do. Yes it does not hurt to have one flowed but if your pump was doing a fine job when it started to leak more than likely it will be fine with just the seal kit. My old BG 400 I rebuilt it myself a couple of times once I found out where to get the parts.
Good Luck

 

wow after this post and the reply by barry grants or his employee. I will be sure never to spend a dime on his product this is one of the most unprofessional things I have ever seen. everyone has to start somewhere and they need to figure it out.

 

My head hurts lol

 

I have a few race cars started using Barry Grant 400 and regulators -- but have had bad luck with them so I started using Magnafuel and later Aeromotive pumps and Magnafuel regulators. This particular pump was on my son's car that we swapped out for a Aeromotive at the NMCA/NMRA race in Joliet -- but it turned out that the fuel pump wasn't the problem. I'm reassembling my tube chassis Cuda -- and decided to use this pump. While being stored in the trailer -- I assume the seals dried out.

After reading all of these thread, I reflected back on what my problem with Barry Grant was -- and why I changed.

On the pumps, I went through two 400s in three years -- both doing the same thing, inconsistent fuel pressure initially (pressure bouncing between 3-13 pounds) before cutting in and out. When I changed to Magnafuel I never had the problem -- but admittedly only have about 50 passes on the pump. However, I run a 16V system in that car and only recently stepped down the fuel pump, water pump, fan, lights, and gauges to 12V. It is possible the 16V was hurting the pump. With regards to the regulator -- to be honest I had 100s and hundreds of passes on it when it crapped out after 4 years on the car. I guess I changed that because I couldn't buy rebuild parts.

While I'm sure Barry's post could have been a little more diplomatic like and professional that it was (Reminds me of Hennessey's "Broke Dick Race" post) -- I thought that the reason they didn't sell the parts was that they wanted to bend you over for the month long rebuild. I didn't realize they have a Lifetime labor warranty and the reason they wanted to to do the rebuilds was for quality control.

I'll take Barry Grant at their word and send back my fuel p-ump and regulator to be rebuilt -- and report back on how long it took and what it cost me. Maybe Barry Grant can win me back.

 

This has been discussed before. It is an easy fix, buy the parts from magnafuel.
http://www.magnafuel.com/products/accessories/Parts/index.htm

 

If you would like a new Magna Fuel pump, I will help you with a good deal. Magna Fuel does sell rebuild kits, however they are rarely needed with a Magna Fuel product. Most people have had their Magna Fuel pump for so many years, they cannot remember when they bought it

 

http://www.racingjunk.com/category/...folds_and_carbs/post/1017533/Barry-Grant-BG400-BG280-BG-220-fuel-pump-seal.html

 

x2... cheap, dependable, quick service, and the pump rebuild is a snap.

 

I have 2 bg 400's because of this. One on the car and one for a spare or to return to have repaired. They are for sale would anyone like to own them. I now have a magnafuel that was on the car I bought, and am satisfied thus far.
Last rebuild cost $190.

 

Hey, while guys are plugging other brands.....Weldon has a new unit coming out that will be a direct drop in replacement for the "Big 3" or so -- capable of supporting over 1200 hp in carb'd applications at half the weight, half the amp draw, all tool steel pump element construction, teflon bypass valve (built in), -10 ports, -8 bypass. In fact the pump guts and motor are straight from their aviation side...........oh and they are offering contingency in NMRA/NMCA for 2011 & beyond.

 

rebuild kit is 15 bucks on ebay look up bg 400 and it will come up

 

I sent the fuel pump Priority Mail on Monday. I'll update on when I get it back, what it cost me, and how well it works in my Cuda.

 

Make sure its mounted behind your rear tires so you dont spin in your own fluids. This topic has been beaten to death. Some support him, most dont and their tech guy will show up and offer to help whenever asked to do so. Take it for what you want.

 

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Went to the Magna site, they have 3 part numbers for rebuild kits.
Which one is for a BG 400?
Plus I read some where they changed the design a couple of years ago??
My pump is from 2003 if that makes a difference.

Not a fan of ebay, so wanted to go direct to magnafuel.

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Went to the Magna site, they have 3 part numbers for rebuild kits.
Which one is for a BG 400?
Plus I read some where they changed the design a couple of years ago??
My pump is from 2003 if that makes a difference.

Not a fan of ebay, so wanted to go direct to magnafuel.

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It was about 3 years ago iirc when we went to the new style seal so yours would still have the old design one in it. Both the 280 and 400 use the same seal so any vendor selling one that is marketed for our pump or their large pumps should be one and the same as well since we all used the same seal up to that point.

 

I have a Barry Grant 400 fuel pump on the Cuda that is spraying fuel from a (no doubt) blown innerseal. I need to buy a rebuild kit but can't even see where they're reference (or any repair) on their site.

can anyone roll me a bone?

Just tried to pm you but there was no option to. If you'll send me a pm with the name the pump is coming in under I'll let Jeff know so he can keep an eye out for it. thanks

 

while back at the ranch -- Grandma is beating off the Indians...



I don't know if my girl sent it off under the name DDS Enterprises or Dave Schultz

She got a call yesterday saying that it was received and that y'all needed a fitting that wasn't included. My son pulled it and it was Priority Mailed yesterday.

 

so mr bg tech, can you explain to me why i sent 3 bg 400's to you in a matter of 3 months, the 1st on came off my dragster because it was pouring gas out the bottom, bought a brand new one, tag said bypass pressure set at 21 pounds, installed with a new gauge, pump wouldnt put out but 3 pounds, even went as far as to adjust the bypass wide open, and only got 6 pounds. so off it came and was sent in the same day it was bought. bought another new one, pressure bounced back and forth. only took 3 weeks to get 1st one back, 2nd one you had for 3 months claiming you ran out of parts. have also went through 3 of your 2 port regulators this year on a customers car. on the other hand i have had a race demon and a king demon that i never touched other than setting the idle. i can say though that after switching to magnafuel i havent had a problem in 3 years. so before you start giving me your reply consider i am a customer who uses some parts just not your fuel pumps and regulators.

 

so mr bg tech, can you explain to me why i sent 3 bg 400's to you in a matter of 3 months, the 1st on came off my dragster because it was pouring gas out the bottom, bought a brand new one, tag said bypass pressure set at 21 pounds, installed with a new gauge, pump wouldnt put out but 3 pounds, even went as far as to adjust the bypass wide open, and only got 6 pounds. so off it came and was sent in the same day it was bought. bought another new one, pressure bounced back and forth. only took 3 weeks to get 1st one back, 2nd one you had for 3 months claiming you ran out of parts. have also went through 3 of your 2 port regulators this year on a customers car. on the other hand i have had a race demon and a king demon that i never touched other than setting the idle. i can say though that after switching to magnafuel i havent had a problem in 3 years. so before you start giving me your reply consider i am a customer who uses some parts just not your fuel pumps and regulators.

If you want to pm me with the name and approx dates they were sent in I will be glad to research it tomorrow and try to answer this best I can.

I will tell you there have been periods of time where we were out of parts either because we were behind or because of an outside vendor but in those cases where a pump or regulator was here more than 7 business days they were sent back repaired to the customer at no charge. Other times we had equipment go down and even had new equipment parts from vendors fail upon install. Cases like that there is not much that can be done other than not charging the customer because we had it too long.

In regards to issues with a new pump there is no reason to beat around the bush and I'll tell you up front we had one of the newer employees in the pump department that was let go because of some comeback issues on parts he assembled. Once we were aware of the problem action was taken as any other employer would but in the end the human factor came into play.

As mentioned I'll be glad to pull up your tickets tomorrow if you will provide that info and see if there is anyting else I can add.

 

For what its worth...I just sent my 280 in and it came back free of charge. All I had to pay was the shipping there. Jeff did explain on the phone what was causing my pump wear(too small of a inlet fitting and a crappy filter). So...I guess you could say it was my fault but, they took care of it. Just my 2 cents.

 

Some guys have a hard time facing the truth.fast malibu needs to man up and admit he was wrong

 

Yep, it sounds like Malibu needs to man up and admit he was posting pure bullshit & was caught red handed.