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So ya wanna know about lithium battery fires?

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Follow along with me, as we go down the fiery rabbit hole that is the lithium battery world…


The Bobcat T7X is around $200k, and as we see here, even EXPENSIVE EVs are not immune to rapid battery deflagration.

The insurance lobby is going to shut this madness down. It will be the first time in my life that I’ll be thankful for the insurance industry shutting something down. But in this case, as obviously dangerous as these things are, it’s about time.
 
#179 ·
I didn’t watch it. Scotty Kilmer isn’t credible, period. He’s a radio personality with a car salesman’s attitude that figured out how to monetize and clickbait an entire youtube channel talking about things he knows very little about.
 
#180 ·
Well I don't know shit about lithium batteries or thermal runaway. What I do know, is that one of my Milwaukee batteries that I put on the charger burst into flames in under 1 minute from the time I put it on the charger. I was fortunate to be able to get it out into the gravel portion of the driveway where it continued to burn for about 20 minutes despite my attempts to hose it down and hit it with a fire extinguisher. Since that day I charge all my batteries outside regardless of the time of year and I never leave them plugged in unattended. I sure as hell wouldn't have some EV sitting in my garage. Hell no.
 
#185 ·
There are various numbers out there but according to the NFPA (National Fire Protection Association), around 117,000 cars catch fire each year in the USA. This works out to roughly 4 in 10,000 cars each year. This is for all cars on the road not just new ones. If your bone stock 1955 Chevy catches fire for any reason it is included in this number. I do not know if that includes arson. What are the rates of fire for electric vehicles? I don't know. I do know that if one burns up 10 states away I will see it reported. Yet the other 116,999 fires seem to happen without fanfare. That sounds like an agenda to me. Picking just one EV maker, Tesla, that has produced about 7.25 million vehicles as of 2024, we would expect that they would have had about 2900 fires if this same .04 percent number holds up. These would be world wide numbers. Have they? I strongly suspect we do not have good data on that but the only number I could find was a reported 255 Teslas have caught fire according to carjunkya.com. I would be willing to bet the number is substantially higher. But is it 10 times higher? That is what it would have to be to catch up to the average.

A couple notes:
There are various timing problems with the data. In other words not all the data came out on the same day, or in some cases even the same year. With Tesla's almost exponential sales increases this is a major problem.

The 117,000 number includes EV's of all kinds. But since the install base is so small I think that can be ignored.

There are no 70 year old (1955) Tesla's out there. Does the relative newness of the Tesla fleet increase or decrease it's rate of fire? I would think if it is a manufacturing or assembly problem, IE some have it and some don't, then it would increase it's rate as those vehicles quickly eliminate themselves from the pool. If it is an inherent problem with the design then as the install base get's larger/older the real rate will become known over time.

The actual data for this is horribly incomplete. Leaving the possibility that the numbers are very different than what is available. With such a small install base this could really change the statistics/percentages. Tesla probably knows the real numbers but even if it is relatively good they wouldn't want to release it because the vast majority of people will only hear two words, Tesla and fire.
 
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A few of the reasons EV fires make headlines are it’s the new buzzword technology. It’s in the news a lot pro or con. The other is how long EV fires burn, the intensity, how difficult they are to put out, and because of that they take out surrounding buildings, cars and structures with them.

I hit a pot hole in a 2010 Trailblazer. The strut mounting bracket to the frame snapped, the wheel collapsed into the engine compartment, broke a power steering hose and the engine bay caught fire. I was able to put out the fire with a gallon of windshield washer fluid. I wasn’t doing that with an EV battery fire.
 
#190 ·
Shit.
I used to wash my hands in gasoline. Lol
That stuff is so safe.
Take a drain pan, (metal) fill it half full of gas.
Stand there and light matches and throw it in the drain pan. (in a well ventilated area, aka, outside)
The matches will all go out. I have done this many times, much to the horror of people who don't know any better.
Liquid gas does not like to burn. Fuel vapors on the other hand...
 
#219 ·
When the insurance industry makes it prohibitively difficult, expensive or impossible to own an EV in the next couple odd years, what are you going to come up with to cover for your precious EV agenda then? Make no mistake, that IS what is coming. There’s no stopping it. And I can’t fucking wait.
About two months ago you were telling us you were signing up for one of those cheap “Slate” trucks. Apparently that was just more of your bullshit. Don’t bullshit Henry, that’s Erik’s job.
That’s what I have on reservation
 
#226 ·
It doesn't really matter is something is "nearly 100% recyclable" if it's too expensive and too complicated to recycle, it won't get done. Same with plastic. It's all supposed to be 100% recyclable but just a small percentage actually gets recycled.

Mining for Lithium is far worse on the environment than drilling for oil.

Everything that comes out of a tailpipe of an ICE vehicle, is present in our atmosphere in some amount.

Our planet has dealt with elevated levels of CO2 in its history.

There's nothing "environmentally friendly" about an EV except for the fact there are no tailpipe emissions. Factor in all the ugly shit and they're far worse on the planet than petrol burners.

ALL FACTS.
 
#230 ·
Regarding lithium battery recycling.. lithium batteries are even causing fires at plastic recycling plants because people throw them away in the trash instead of disposing of them properly. That is a problem you will NEVER solve, no matter how much education and free disposal options to the public. Most people just don’t care and will take the easiest route, which is to throw them in their garbage. You will NEVER stop this.

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“PUBLISHED ON FEBRUARY 17, 2025
Recent headlines have falsely claimed that fires at recycling facilities are caused by recycled plastics. We are here to set the record straight: these fires are caused by lithium-ion batteries that are inappropriately put into recycling or trash bins, NOT by recycling plastic packaging.”
 
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#232 ·
Fires at dedicated lithium battery recycling facilities are massive and EXTREMELY TOXIC AS FUCKING FUCK. Whatever environmental benefit you claim was saved by these battery’s usage, it was far overshadowed when they went up in smoke and polluted the absolute fuck out of the environment. This WILL keep happening, so the environmental impact and associated costs for cleanup and such MUST be taken into consideration when making an assessment of the market viability of these concentrated pollution bombs.

 
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#240 ·
Well guys I guess the stuff I see out on the roads every day is just a mirage then huh?

You guys talk like EV’s aren’t already successful.

Just picked my granddaughter up from school and the parking lot had quite a few Teslas and other brands of well turned out EV’s.

I guess I won’t believe my own eyes and listen to what you knuckleheads say instead.

Let’s all hold hands and dance at the intersections of our cities and towns while we inhale the putrid fumes from your super duper ghey assed penis extender muscle machines that are S L O W by comparison.

…..and WS I’m really surprised you’re swinging off DBT’s nut sack. I understand all the other sheeple but not you bro.
 
#243 ·
When I was in first and second grade, the school parking lots and dropoff zones were full of Chevettes as well. My parents even owned one. My inept pops couldn’t fix their ‘69 Impala when the transmission went out, so they sold it cheap and leased a new Chevette. My mom HATED it from day one. Despite that, one day when she went to drop me off for school, some dingbat teacher or administrator complimented her on the new car, even though she missed the Impala terribly. So you see? Idiots like you have been around for many decades, praising dogshit sandwich automobiles that only pathetic, feckless, lifeless humans want. Real people want real cars. You obviously know nothing about that.
 
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#242 ·
Your entire thought process is based on clickbait youtube slop and corporate CEOs. You have absolutely no independent thoughts of your own. What a pathetic existence.
 
#244 ·
Oh look, a lithium IRON PHOSPHATE battery blew the fuck up on a boat, in GAYton, quite fittingly. Hey Henry, you wanna explain again to us how LFP batteries are safe and fireproof???

 
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#249 ·
Hmmm, nuclear power for the advancement of AI and Defense. Didn't here anything about wind mills, solar panels and fairy dust?!?
You just proved what I said above to be true, thanks for proving my point!
 
#253 ·
I’m not saying 18 wheelers should be EV’s nor do I like to use a tragic accident to support my position but if there are any silver linings in these things let them be known.

Sadly Jeff Lutz was involved in an accident with a drunk wrong way driver. Mr. Lutz swerved his giant rig and saved the lives in the minivan driving straight at him.

This cause the minivan to careen down alongside the truck ripping open its diesel tank and spraying fuel all over the highway.

The fuel caught fire and destroyed the entire rig. Terrible situation but thank God no one was killed.

I say the only silver lining here is to remind folks to maintain a healthy respect for the potential disaster attached to all of this stuff.
 
#259 ·
I do Henry, the point I was making was a joke for the lithium battery lovers, (like you), who must love the lithium battery fires too, and all the pretty smoke that creates. Down here many of the off-shore powerboat owners like to name their boats "Smoke On The Water".
Electric boats on the water, just an explosion and fire waiting to happen.....
 
#260 ·
Henry Floored… This is a complete Trump’s EV policy for dummies summation from HAVARD. Read it and have a whiskey on me to ease the pain. 🥃

 
#264 ·
Vinny I’m not anti ICE I’m pro EV. I’m sick of working on over complicated psycho sleds but I’m still in love with automobiles.

I’ve got a Vee twin motorcycle that you can feel every powerstroke on. One of my hobbies is restoring vintage garden tractors I’m a Flathead fanatic.

None of that precludes my interest into what electromotive power can do for mass transportation.

I predicted it and it has opened up what designers can do for the people that buy them.

You guys probably forgot how uncomfortable a typical Ford, GM or Mopar muscle car can be with a giant trans tunnel taking up precious real estate inside.

My ‘41 Ford has a tiny tunnel because it was built in a different era that wasn’t channeling the body down that far over the frame. Hot rodders were doing that.

Subconsciously every half ton and up pickup driver agrees with me because you get way more room and thus comfort due to the minimal intrusions of the drive line and that’s why millions are sold every year in this country.

EV’s promise all of that in a much lower ground hugging package. The heft of the battery being that low makes for an extremely stable vehicle.

YOU guys seem to be trying to pigeon hole me as being anti ICE. I am not. I’m simply going to advocate for a vehicle type that has lots of advantages for the average person trying to go A to B.

Now I know in one second it will be back to the normal shenanigans from the usual suspects but I want the truth to be told.