I’ve been saying for years when an electric car goes up in flames in the right high rise condo building it’s all over. The first 6-10 floors are parking garages one car igniting one on either side of it while charging on the 6th floor could trap a lot of people.

 

Absolutely. Plus, the placement of charging stations very close to entrances and exits like they typically do with handicapped spaces is only going to make it worse. The whole building doesn’t even have to be on fire to prevent people from getting out, it just needs to be a car or two close to an exit.

 

One more time, your response has proven you are as sharp as a marble. Wake up Leroy.

 

This is only going to continue, and spread to other mediums as well. Car haulers over the road and on rails will eventually be regulated as well.

These fellows discuss numerous other battery transportation issues as well, like how after the fires in Hawaii, they could not transport all the damaged lithium batteries off the island, so they had to shred them and dispose of them on location. I bet that’s not something the lefties out in Hawaii anticipated!

Idiots like HenryFloored can continue to try to ignore all these realities, but eventually he will be FORCED to acknowledge and admit that this is a MAJOR issue, for which there is no solution except for the insurance industry to drive them out of existence due to tremendous cost or just outright refusing to insure anything related to lithium batteries, including charging facilities.

 

Apparently, too few of our fellow car enthusiasts are either butt ass stupid or blind, The entire environmental bullshit is either to increase taxation or some hidden fee to ensure the campaign donors are sittin pretty.
The ignorance of the left is astounding. The flagrant efforts of the left to decay our American heritage is unacceptable when we take a serious and objective look at the American lives lost for the bettering of America's future vs the deep state who are apparently running us into globalist tomorrowland. You bet your ass they will sell your freedom as long ass their pockets are filled. They could give a fuck about American loss of life. I don't think Trump is on that page.

 

Technology is a wonderful thing, until it impede's progress.

 

So tell me gang are lithium ion batteries new and exclusive to automobiles? Asking for a friend.

 

They are widely used in rc applications, and they are charged in fireproof containers.

Just saying.

 

Most homeowner policies will not allow a EV to be parked inside a garage attached to the house.
They must be parked outside away from the home.
The potential of a spontaneous battery fire is the reason.
That alone should be reason enough to never own one.

 

BMW hybrid responsible for burning down big $$$ parking garage.

 

DBT nailed it. 100%. As for me, I won't park next to an EV when out and about. Like all of us I have a bunch of electric tools but never leave the garage when charging and when I am done with a tool the battery gets stored in a metal box, on a metal shelf, on a concrete floor against a brick wall......call me paranoid but I just don't trust 'em. As in not at all.

 

Same. My tool batteries and my drone battery are stored in vented metal ammo cans in the middle of open concrete floor, nothing close to them to catch on fire. You need to make sure the cans are vented, because in the event of fire these batteries offgas large quantities of explosive gas, so if you don’t vent them they can blow up like a pressure cooker. Having a vent straight out the top prevents that. Just drill a hole in the lid, that’s all you need. Worst case is you get a flame spout straight out the top, but with nothing above or around it, nothing will catch on fire.

And I’m with you on parking as well. I won’t even park in public parking garages any more, because when one goes up, it’s going to take a whole lot of vehicles with it. I don’t need to lose any of my vehicles because of someone else’s idiocy.

 

Righto on the vent...my "box" is actually a 4 drawer Dorman nut and bolt unit, lots of vent.

 

No amount of reasoning is going to make the brainwashed Kool Aid drinkers come around. The cardinal rule of lefties is despite all evidence, “this isn’t going to work, we just have to wish harder “ applies. EV’s will remain a niche for the Yugo Yuppies who think they’re saving the planet and scoring social points. Normal, practical people are going to stick with ICE. No more EV mandates, tax write offs, zero infrastructure to scale, and Trumps EPA regulation adjustments pretty much kills the canary in the coal mine.

Let the kooks do their thing, burn down cars, houses, city blocks deal with the backlash / social stigma and we’ll keep on truckin. For now the EV revolution is on “ICE.”

 

Tell me fellas, do any of you guys hear or cook with propane or natural gas?

 

I also use acetylene torches… Don’t go there Hank!

 

Fourty thousand people a year are killed in car accidents. Absolutely terrible statistic.

 

How many people die from exhaust emissions?

 

In accidents or self-inflicted???? Asking for a friend!

 

Somehow, this seems relevant to this discussion.

 

 

And there we have it.. HenryFurd is brainfucked and is completely incapable of addressing the actual discussion and is just blowing into his pinwheel like an autistic four year old. His entire world view has been curb-stomped into oblivion, but he just can’t let it go, and.. OH LOOK, A BUTTERFLY!!!

 

 

I'm leery of Li-Ion batteries the same as everyone else. The one in my little jump-start hotbox overheated once, melted it all to shit and nearly caught my Hellcat on fire which would have caught the house on fire. So OK, then what's the alternative? What's on the horizon in the way of newer technology battery development? Fire hazard or not, EV automobiles are never going to become mainstream when they're limited to roughly 300 miles range, spotty, lengthy recharging times and high initial expense.

Discuss.

 

There is no battery tech on the horizon that offers any kind of meaningful improvement in safety or range, let alone both at the same time. Lithium iron phosphate batteries (like Henry loves, like an idiot) are marginally safer, but are substantially more expensive to produce and have substantially lower capacity, so you either have to sacrifice a bunch of range or add a ton of weight and cost to the vehicle. No EV manufacturers currently use them that I’m aware of.

There is nothing else on the horizon that offers a dramatic improvement in safety at any price. That doesn’t mean it can’t happen some day, but the tech is probably closer to its limit than most people are willing to admit. We just aren’t seeing dramatic improvements in range these days without the batteries getting substantially larger as well, which of course comes at a variety of costs.

EVs are at or very near peak market share. Henry and anyone else who disagrees with me, screenshot this post, save it for later review. Maybe you’ll be able to make me eat my words, but I suspect not. I bet in another decade the conversation will have shifted to “Why did we waste all those years on that failed EV tech when we could have gotten a head start on X/Y/Z instead?” Who knows what that will be, but it won’t be battery powered cars.

 

So are car batteries. My power tools aren’t though and neither is this cell phone that I carry in my pocket.

I thought I told you guys about lithium “iron” batteries that are much less prone to thermal runaway?

Not only that in my “Ford special EV project” thread I am showing that to illustrate that these problems are being addressed.

Remember when Indy cars used to spill 40 gallons of methanol all over the track and burn drivers alive? I do.

Well lo and behold it was military technology that saved the day on that type of tragedy.

Yes it was I believe the Viet Nam war (or possibly Korea) where the “fuel cell” with foam insert was developed in an effort to get the Huey’s home if their fuel tanks were pierced with ground fire. Amazingly simple yet effective.

I pointed out the “flood ports” on the Ford Pikes Peak vehicles designed to quickly cool the battery cells internally in the event of a thermal runaway.

You guys seem to be skeptical about mankind’s ability to solve problems. I know I am too at times. I still can’t believe an 80,000 pound aircraft can float on compacted air molecules. Absolutely amazes me to this day.

Don’t let the naysayers get you down. The negative energy is not productive. We have much work to do. Let’s commit ourselves to showing the world what good old American ingenuity can really do. Whatta ya say?

So are car batteries. My power tools aren’t though and neither is this cell phone that I carry in my pocket.

I thought I told you guys about lithium “iron” batteries that are much less prone to thermal runaway?

Not only that in my “Ford special EV project” thread I am showing that to illustrate that these problems are being addressed.

Remember when Indy cars used to spill 40 gallons of methanol all over the track and burn drivers alive? I do.

Well lo and behold it was military technology that saved the day on that type of tragedy.

Yes it was I believe the Viet Nam war (or possibly Korea) where the “fuel cell” with foam insert was developed in an effort to get the Huey’s home if their fuel tanks were pierced with ground fire. Amazingly simple yet effective.

I pointed out the “flood ports” on the Ford Pikes Peak vehicles designed to quickly cool the battery cells internally in the event of a thermal runaway.

You guys seem to be skeptical about mankind’s ability to solve problems. I know I am too at times. I still can’t believe an 80,000 pound aircraft can float on compacted air molecules. Absolutely amazes me to this day.

Don’t let the naysayers get you down. The negative energy is not productive. We have much work to do. Let’s commit ourselves to showing the world what good old American ingenuity can really do. Whatta ya say?

NOPE … it was one of the many safety inventions by none other that Smokey Yunick after Fireball Roberts was consumed in a fire.

 

 

The charger/maintainer shit the bed. Thankfully it didn't burn down my garage

 

Self Sealing Fuel tanks have been around for a long time.

World War I
George J. Murdock applied for the patent "War Aeroplane Fuel Tanks" on February 7, 1917 but was temporarily blocked by an order of the Federal Trade Commission, on February 6, 1918, to keep any discussion or publication of the invention secret. The order was rescinded by the United States Patent Office on September 26, 1918 and Murdock was eventually granted U.S. patent 1,386,791 "Self-Puncture Sealing Covering for Fuel-Containers" on August 9, 1921. Military aircraft built by the Glenn L. Martin Company used this self-sealing fuel tank.

Howard Hughes used neoprene to self-seal his fuel tanks on his 1938 around the world flight

 

dangerous

Hey Vinny, while I agree with everything you have stated, I also have to ask, this so-called mission you're on to educate the "masses", it starts and ends with posting someone else's video on a drag race message board with maybe 50 active users?

You are going to stop this disingenuous bullshit. You are GOING TO STOP IT.

Made me laugh. You TELL 'em, dad!

 

Hey Vinny, while I agree with everything you have stated, I also have to ask, this so-called mission you're on to educate the "masses", it starts and ends with posting someone else's video on a drag race message board with maybe 50 active users?


Made me laugh. You TELL 'em, dad!

Hey Marvin.. who the fuck asked you anything?

 

Here’s a good one that no one will watch for fear it might clear some of the FUD outta day brain.

 

More clickbait AI slop. Definitely not gonna watch that bullshit. I still wouldn’t watch it even if it was titled “FORD SUCKS BALLS!!! PROOF INSIDE - SHOW YOUR FRIENDS”

 

EVs = gay

Lightweight lithium car batteries = nice

Gas/diesel engines = good

Henry_Floored = massive gayboi

 

Three out of four ain’t bad. But no, lightweight lithium car batteries are not nice, they are dangerous. The weight savings isn’t worth the risk.