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Please put me and my Crown Vic Aero on a diet and get us BOTH strong!

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#1 · (Edited)
Hey all,

Hope this message finds everyone well.

Long story short - my Grand Pappy passed away and I inherited his 1992 Crown Victoria. He was retired LEO (one of the good ones) and he loved that car and was always looking and planning on making it into a sleeper but it was all talk it seems. As long as he had a project in the back of his mind he did well. When he actually tackled projects and finished them he would get depressed. So this one was a day dream for him but towards the end of his life we would sit and talk and he would say when he passes he wants me to make it faster than fuk!

He would always talk cars with me and my sisters and take us to the dragstrip on weekends so I know quite quite a bit but simply don't know where to start,

So to honor my late Grand Pappy I want to put this car on a diet (me too!) and get us both strong for some street racing!

I honestly don't know where to start though. I want to drop the weight of the car. And I want to lose some weight myself :)

I heard the later model Aero bodies had aluminum hoods and aluminum truck decks. Is that true?

If so... I want-

1) Get aluminum hood and aluminum truck deck.
2) Gut the interior. Everything goes!
3) Lexan windows tinted dark so people cant tell the interior is gone.
4) Hole saw and speed hole all the door panels and other areas that are safe to do so.

Do you think I could get the car weight down to 3200 curb if I do that?

Then for engine build... I want to-

1) Find a 4.6 Teskid Block
2) Go all forged internals
3) Trickflow heads with agressive camshaft
4) Much larger throttle body and injectors
5) Procharger
6) Nitrous on a scramble button

If I do that do you think I could get 750HP flywheel?

Would get a 8.8 with 31 splines for rearend and built tranny.

I want to get this boat and me included into the 10s for the 1/4.

Any and all thoughts appreciated.

In addition to the 1992 Crown my Grand Pappy left me 15 grand for the build.

I can buy quality used and scrounge around for the parts but just don't know the best approach.

Thanks all!

Cindy
 
#2 · (Edited)
You can get a crown vic to 3200 if youre tearing all that out. Most of the weight of those cars are in the interior because they put a ton of crap in them that drag cars dont need. Taking out all the heat and AC, seats, windows and interior trims will be hundreds of pounds alone. I would guess you could drop around 400lbs just on interior being taken out. Another 100lbs on the metal you take out of non structural parts, 100+ on windows and motors, a couple hundred more going to a teksid aluminum block and getting rid of AC and heater. Take out power steering and go manual, all speakers/radio gone, take out dash and get a universal fiberglass dash to put your gauges in. You should also look i to brake and suspension setups that are lighter. You will need it anyway to help launch the car and get it stopped as those brakes are not made to stop that type of power in a car. You would save tons of weight upgrading to a drag brake setup from stock.

As for motor, teksids are getting harder to find last I looked unless you know of a place to get one they dont get put for sale very often but it would probably save you money buying a 03 cobra motor out of a crashed car, or even just doing coyote swap. Those 2 motors alone will be cheaper than building a teksid the way you described. A coyote motor out of a crashed car and simple holley EFI to run it will make more stock than that teksid build. The cost to convert the wiring and all that to run a 4.6L in my opinion isnt worth it for that car, if youre going to spend the money on wiring harnesses and all that just do a coyote swap and call it a day. You can make 750hp on a stock motor without breaking a sweat.

I would also highly recommend just going turbo and ditching the blower/nitrous combo. The turbo will make more power on that smaller cube motor without having to use power to drive the blower. I had a 98 cobra that I built the teksid, obviously had the 4 valve heads instead of 2, had custom cams from MMR and I put a 78mm turbo on it. It made well over 750hp easily and was less stress on the motor. You can also find cheap turbo kits going with an on3 performance kit where the procharger will cost you a pretty penny. Dont forget on top of all this you will need a big fuel system which is not cheap. Youcan use a a Walbro in tank 430lphpump to feed that much power and that will be the cheapest most reliable way. A set of 80lbs injectors are a little more costly.

I would say your goal is attainablebut its going to cost you over 15k for sure. The trans, rear end and motor alone is going to cost you that or more in just parts. Not counting fuel, wiring, and all the little crap that pops up you need with any build. As for you losing weight, well thats all on you, theres always bigger seats lol

As for times, with the right stuff a 750hp car that weighs 3200lbs will run in the 9's with the right suspension and tire.
 
#3 ·
"As for you losing weight, well thats all on you, theres always bigger seats lol"

NO THANK YOU.

The last thing I want to be is a FATTY driving a WHALE.

I'll get the weight off myself and the Crown Vic.

Weight loss is FREE so that will be the first step.

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And thanks for your comments on the Coyote and Turbo.

Will respond to that in a bit.

Need to grab my laundry and get that done :)

Back soon :)

Cindy
 
#4 ·
It's confusing for me a bit though right now as I want it FAST as FUK but still want to honor my Grand Pappy.

He was a TOTAL character.

I remember one time we was in the pits at Famoso one day and he was looking at a ricer with nitrous and while it was a nice car and all he looked at it and under his breath said the following.

"Bottles are for babies. Hairdryers are for women. Superchargers are for men."

And that didn't sit too right with the car owner and his boyz and it got heated.

My Grand Pappy simply stated all Top Fuel cars are Supercharged and nothing touches them. NOTHING.

Well, they called my Grand Pappy an old fuk and that didn't go over well.

They took the first swing and my Grand Pappy let them have it and at 73, my Grand Pappy laid three of them out on the ground quick. The other two ran off. Didn't want a piece of that.

My Grand Pappy was "old man strong" right up to 85 when things started going downhill.

I didn't even want to think of putting a nitrous bottle on scramble seeing his views on bottle babies but if I had a blower on the car I thought it would be splitting the difference type of thing and still honor him.

I guess I could go with a turbo though. Since I'm a chick, right?

The whole turbo thing scares me though. Lots of computer management to get it right it seems.

I can do A LOT of the work myself on the car so that will save money.

I went to pick-a-part and swapped a tranny out of my Ford Explorer all by myself. It was slipping and I didn't want to pay for a rebuild. No man turned a wrench or even helped me and the Explorer is still running great after the tranny swap. I got a good deal on it at pick-a-part too.

I was also thinking, the 1992 Crown Vic is panther platform so would a 31 spline 8.8 rear from a 2006+ Crown Vic bolt it?

If I find one with 3.55 gear and LSD out of a P71 Police Interceptor that might be a cheap solution for the rearend.

I heard those are pretty tough.

Would it hold 750hp though?

Cindy
 
#9 ·
It wouldnt be the first time Ive seen it happen lol. On another forum a girl legitimately was saying she would sleep with people in exchange for car parts, After the "well Id have to see what kind of deal that would be for me" was posted by a guy, naked pics followed fairly quickly. That girl was banned within an hour of that post being started lol
 
#10 ·
I am disappointed at all you guys. What has happened to this place ?
Hit the newbie thread and post up some tittle pics....................this is the proper response for newbies
If you were a guy it would be
hit the newbie thread and pics of your wife titties..........................
otherwise welcome and you will receive a lot of help here, even more so that you are a female interested in cars
 
#11 · (Edited)
I am disappointed at all you guys. What has happened to this place ?
Hit the newbie thread and post up some tittle pics....................this is the proper response for newbies
If you were a guy it would be
hit the newbie thread and pics of your wife titties..........................
otherwise welcome and you will receive a lot of help here, even more so that you are a female interested in cars
Im not interested in getting fake pics lol, because you know thats all thats being posted off the bat lol. Plus what if Chick with a Vic was a typo and it really is Chick with a Dic. Guess we will need proof after all! LOL
 
#16 ·
Search member Cameronvic. copy/paste his setup with weight reduction. Much cheaper and easier than a laundry list of go fast goodies for your current ford setup. Talking 5x the cost if not more trying to make what you have quick VS tossing in a JY LS setup on a th400 or similar.

 
#24 ·
"Old man said, IF you can bake a cake you can rebuild this engine, all you have to do is know how and follow directions"

Thanks for that inspiration. It's appreciated.

"Brest cancer took my sister away 5 years ago"

I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost my Mom to breast cancer. She was only 53 when she passed. It's a horrible disease and a horrible way to go.

"Niece still works on my sister's 62 vette and our old man's Biscayne"

Rays04gtx thanks for this response it's inspired me to give it go...

I'm not gonna rebuild the original 4.6 2V in the Crown Vic though... I'm gonna pull the whole drivetrain out of my Ford Explorer and use the 4.6 2V from it.

Someone PM'ed me and said I have the WAP block so my block I guess is Aluminum and will hold 900hp... not as good as the Teskid but pretty close.

SO I got a block I can work with. I'll strip it down and sell off the parts I don't need. I'll go and get it cleaned up and bored .20 over and then do what I feared most.

Will woman up and bake that fricking cake!

Thanks :)

Cindy
 
#26 · (Edited)
I hear ya. I do. Still on the fence about turbo vs blower.

I started my diet and the cars diet today. Took my car to "our spot" outside of town and did a baseline with my sister timing. It ran 16.7 at about 83-84mph.

Just for the heck of it. I went and ran it myself ON FOOT with my sister timing. I managed to do it in 3 minutes 15 seconds at about 10mph.

Glad my car is faster!!!

Cindy
 
#27 · (Edited)
I hear ya. I do. Still on the fence about turbo vs blower.

I started my diet and the cars diet today. Took my car to "our spot" outside of town and did a baseline with my sister timing. It ran 15.9 at about 85-86mph.

Just for the heck of it. I went and ran it myself ON FOOT with my sister timing. I managed to do it in 3 minutes 15 seconds at about 10mph.

Glad my car is faster!!!

Cindy
That’s a good start for the weight-loss, lol. And ignore the leg-humpers here, you’re in the build section so requests for titty-pics are discouraged. If you’re into that kinda thing, head over to trash or be trashed, but most women don’t fare well there…

As for the build I’d have to agree to look up @CameronVic and his build, car is a bad mofo and the build has tons of great info. Doing an LS would save you a ton of time and money to get this project done, unless you wanna stay Ford, in which case there are some random morons here that think the new Ford Godzilla is something special, but a coyote would be a better choice IMO, by far.
Your 2V isn’t gonna do what you want it to do without a lot of work, 750hp can be done but most/all of your budget will be spent on engine and fuel system.
 
#31 ·
351w is an option. Not hard to build the power level you are looking for and you could use the harness from an older Vic that used the Windsor. The biggest expense is heads but you could get a set of the AFR enforcer heads, a decent cam and run a borg s475 with flipped shorty headers, get a ms3 and you could build one for not much more than an ls.
 
#34 ·
To keep it fun IMO... gut it and get the suspension how you want it first. Leave the motor "as is" and running. That way you can play with it and not lose interest. . Don't know how many big dreamer builds I've seen go up on the stands and never come down. Better to see small improvements as you go at the track and get use to the chassis. If you want nitrous anyway... put a small shot(s) on it and go play at the track. Trans will let go before that engine does...

unfortunately the engine is the cheap part these days. getting a driveline that will take the abuse, ECU, Fuel system, and the aftermarket parts needed the engine is the hard part.
 
#35 ·
I'm gonna combine EVERYBODY'S advice on this.

I'm gonna strip the car down as light as I can get it. Then put a 125 shot of Nitrous on it and start having some fun with it as I build up a motor for it on the side. After I've had a bunch of fun racing it and sorting out the suspension then when I finish the motor will swap it in and what not. Gonna build a 351W to 500hp. Then after maybe do some FI on it to try and approach 750hp.

Today, changed the tranny fluid and filter on it this afternoon. Went with a full synthetic.

Did it all by myself :)

Felt a great sense of accomplishment and it shifts much firmer now.

Cindy
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#38 ·
I guess I have a completely different view. In the mid-late '90s I ran an '89 Caprice for the Phoenix Police Dept. It was a typical S/ST build for the time but among the many things we did was lighten the car as much as possible. Inner bracing in the hood & deck lid, cutting out the door beams, removing the rear seat & lightening the dashboard as much as possible still only removed a minimum amount of weight. Although to be honest we were running a BBC & Turbo400. Which brings me to the engine. IMO, go with a Coyote or conventional OHV V8. You'll still be trying to get a lot of weight up & moving on a launch so torque is the answer. And that size car is simply going to tax a small engine that would make me nervous. I'd be aimiing for at least a 363 cu.in motor--easy to build & affordable
 
#39 ·
That's "old school" mentality IMO. A 292 cube 4.8 with a Stock bottom end, untouched heads and a small cam will make 750 easy with a cheap turbo setup. Done it many times. Really doesn't take much these days to crack 750hp with a turbo LS. The modern Ford stuff will do it as well for 3-4x the budget. 351 route will likely require machine work and down time... as well as costing at least 2x as much. I'm not brand loyal in anyway, but nothing really compares to a JY LS in terms of power VS $ invested. None that I'm aware of anyway. Just stating facts. Being able to grab a Sub $500ish motor, put in ZERO machine work and make 750-900 HP for peanuts just doesn't happen with other platforms. Engines have become cheap and disposable for that power range. A gen4 4.8 with a good tune would live a long healthy life at 750hp, even behind a VIC.

Not saying bigger motors won't make more power, just that I wouldn't' shy away from a GEN4 5.3/4.8 with a 750hp goal, even behind a 3500lb car.
 
#40 ·
Well, there's the difference. I'm a bit of a dinosaur so I really don't know much about the newer engines & their set-ups. And not knowing that, I don't know how durable these new set-ups are. It's great to make that kind of power cheaply but if/when they break, what's the replacement costs? When we built the car I mentioned because of its use it had to be durable, easy to work on and affordable as that was part of our marketability. My guess is the newer engines have all that sorted out, so it would make sense I guess. But like I said, I'm a bit of a dinosaur😏