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Octane Rating / Cylinder pressure chart??

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To all you engine builders…. If a customer asks for a pump gas 1000hp type deal - how do you go about designing such a thing? Do you know of a good chart out there that includes cylinder pressure and IAT and correlates it to an acceptable fuel type? I’ve searched the web and can’t find a good comprehensive chart. Please recommend some literature on the subject
 
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Pump gas you might get away with 1200 or so psi, and max pressure is around 14 degrees ATDC, so you got a good head that only needs around 34 degrees timing to make max HP, so 14 + 34 = 48 x 20 (psi rise per 1 degree) = 960 psi - 1200 = 240 psi cranking compression, but if you have closer to 25 psi per 1 degree crank rotation you start to run into problems real quick, 48 x 25 = 1200 psi - 1200 psi = 0 psi, not much room for cranking compression with pump gas, 108 gas should be good for 1500 psi or so.

Unleaded pump gas burns faster than "race" fuel with that and compression you could get into the 25 to 30 psi per degree pressure rise pretty easy.

BTW....not an engine builder and I know nothing.
 
#3 ·
There's no way to figure it out simply based on compression ratio since it's also affected by the rest of the combination - cylinder head material, combustion chamber design and most importantly camshaft. Not to mention the IAT and how the engine is tuned. Even the torque converter stall RPM and rear gear ratio will play a part since that determines how the engine is loaded.
 
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Thanks y’all, pointed me the right direction. I’m working with a 560CI BBC with aluminum brodix ported heads and 8.5:1 static CR. Still haven’t selected a cam yet. A/A intercooler procharger at only 10ish psi (with an engine this large it won’t take much to make 1k) so IAT not quite ambient, but also not much higher. I am
Ok with as low as 800 to the flywheel as running shitty pump gas no matter wheee I end up on the road is important to me. More important than a few extra ponies