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Motec or Haltech??

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#1 ·
Starting to put together my electronic package. What is better and why? The Motec M800 or the Haltech 2500.

Also, with both having a their own boost control built in, do I really need a AMS-2000 ? I'm told with out one you can not win.
 
#5 ·
LOL, Not the first time.

Rick_B,
ComSync EFI is better than both of those. Check it out www.comsyncracing.com. Definitely use the Boost controller in the ECU it is one less file you have to manage and keep track of, I think all 3 of these will record your data (I know the ComSync EFI will), no need for a Racepak either. Motek and ComSync can run digital dashes (not sure about Haltech). ComSync is the only one with 8 wideband O2s and 64 outputs, 8 stage Nitrous, Boost Controller 1 to 4 injectors per cylinder, 12 EGTs, safeties on each cylinder plus much more, the box is $3999.
Blake
Will definitely have a look at it.

Haltech all the way,

internal logging is great, boost contoller is awesome, software is simple to use, inbox me if you want some pricing for ecu and support package.
I will PM you for some information.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Rick_B,
ComSync EFI is better than both of those. Check it out www.comsyncracing.com. Definitely use the Boost controller in the ECU it is one less file you have to manage and keep track of, I think all 3 of these will record your data (I know the ComSync EFI will), no need for a Racepak either. Motek and ComSync can run digital dashes (not sure about Haltech). ComSync is the only one with 8 wideband O2s and 64 outputs, 8 stage Nitrous, Boost Controller 1 to 4 injectors per cylinder, 12 EGTs, safeties on each cylinder plus much more, the box is $3999.
Blake
 
#4 ·
Haltech all the way,

internal logging is great, boost contoller is awesome, software is simple to use, inbox me if you want some pricing for ecu and support package.
 
#8 ·
M800 has been around for well over a decade, the 2500...a year or two.

Hardly a fair comparison on that count alone.

Which is better ? That all depends what you need it to do, what features you want, whether you are capable of using it etc etc etc.

It's up to you to make that decision when you know everything you need the ecu to do for you, your car and your application.

But speak to whoever will be tuning it for you....without a tuner/support, doesnt matter how good a system can be, it might end up useless.
 
#9 ·
You have some good points. I know the M800 has been around for a long time, but does that automatically make it better? or is it only better because more people know how to use it and are just comfortable with it?

I like both, I see good and bad in both.
 
#14 ·
M1's are expensive..and even worse with Motec, feature are very heavily cost dependent and also tied to whatever package your dealer is capable of offering you. In some ways, there are no standard features, everything needs programmed one way or another before you can even get to use it.

Maybe fine if the dealer is doing everything for you, for anyone interested in their own stuff I can only see it a a nightmare...a bloody expensive nightmare. And if your supplier turns out to be a moron, you're equally screwed.

I'm sure it has a place somewhere in the market, given the much better and better value options out there, I wouldnt even consider Motec these days.
 
#15 ·
Y'all are smoking crack if you think heltech is better then motec you just need to be a rocket scientist to figure it out :p:p
 
#16 ·
Motec make many models, and Haltech make many models.

So you cannot say generically one brand is better than the other, and Haltech have been doing it longer than anyone ( although that too does not just make it better )

Name one or two things a Motec can do that a Haltech cannot ?
 
#17 ·
stevieturbo,
I can give you several things the ComSync EFI can do that neither of them can do. 8 wideband O2s, 2 fuel maps, one for Hat, plenum or whatever and one for sequential injectors in the port up to 4 injectors per cylinder (even if you run 4 or 8 in the hat). 8 stage nitrous with outputs for 16 valves if you want to run a valve on each bank plus 16 injectors, 2 injectors per cylinder along with the nitrous. 12 egt's, for V8 8 for cylinders 2 for turbo inlet temps. 2 turbo tacks. EGT safeties to help prevent motor damage.

All of that in 1 box for $3999. All software options are free for as long as you own the box.

One big bitch for ComSync EFI is there is no one in Australia running the box at this time. Just want to be honest.

www. comsyncracing.com
Blake
 
#19 ·
Blake,
I have started looking at the ComSync EFI and it does look alright, but you are right there is no one here using it or that I can find. This can make things harder to do. I went down this road once before using electronic which no one in this part of the world was using and it was not always fun.

Stevieturbo,
The only reason I limited it to the M800 and the Haltech 2500 was purely because most people here tell me the Haltech system on its own and a few people I talk to over there tell me the M800 with the AMS-2000.
 
#21 · (Edited)
For systems from Oz, no doubt there are Link ecus that could work well, Emtron, Haltech or Motec

Again it all boils down to exactly what you need the ecu to do for you. Of course there isnt much need to restrict yourself to Oz based ecu's as I dont think price varies that much around the world anyway ?

Although presumably in Oz, you'd get better support from a system from there, which again boils down to speaking to your tuner/dealer and seeing what they can make work for you.
As Dale is based in Oz, Castle Hill Performance, he's bound to be a very good contact for Haltech ?

Pretty much any ecu should be able to do boost control...of course some might be better than others. But even an old M800 should be up to the task. Although a standalone controller may give more cabin options for the driver vs delving into the ecu to make changes.

Depends how many configuration options the ecu can give you via a switch etc
 
#22 ·
ive got back to rick with some pricing and info was a little slow as im on holidays, his setup is not a difficult one and one i have base maps for to get him going, elite 2500 will do more than he needs, you could do 9 O2s on it, 12 egt with safetys, 10 fuel maps if wanted but most people will never use those sort of features,

for what he wants it is a basic 8 injectors in 2 stages, 4 coils, single 02, 4 egt, c02 boost control all of which is simple..