Is the electric pump working...

Is the solenoid working...

Are you getting fuel out of the spray bar...






Jeff

 

Yes, to all 3

Is the electric pump working...

Is the solenoid working...

Are you getting fuel out of the spray bar...






Jeff

 

Here is a quick video showing how one guy starts his. Not sure of exactly how you're going about it with yours, but thought this might help.

Jeff

 

Yeah, I've seen this. The startup procedure itself is pretty simple. But, still no luck.

Here is a quick video showing how one guy starts his. Not sure of exactly how you're going about it with yours, but thought this might help.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYD75StMDsc





Jeff

 

I've been doing a lot of research on this system cause I just bought one. Plan to install it next week. Wish I could give you more starting tips, but I haven't used mine yet. I know a couple of guys that run it and love it. One of them is going to assist with getting mine set up.





Jeff

 

I hope that you have a lot better luck than I have with it.

I've been doing a lot of research on this system cause I just bought one. Plan to install it next week. Wish I could give you more starting tips, but I haven't used mine yet. I know a couple of guys that run it and love it. One of them is going to assist with getting mine set up.





Jeff

 

Did you adjust the fuel pressure down to 2-3 psi? Are you using a momentary switch?

 

I've tried all the fuel pressure settings from 1-10

 

Are you running the gas through the carb or doing a spray bar like what was on the toilet system? You might try starting it and then after it wont start pull a plug and see if they are fouled and flooded. If running a spray bar you might have to lower fuel pressure or do a momentary on switch on gas pump to control amount of gas going in. Been a long time since I've messed with methanol and never done the primer plus. Good luck.

 

call James

http://www.killerrons.com/

 

Have you tried running the carb completely dry and then setting up the primer plus? Seems like with a carb it would still be pulling fuel from the bowls until they were empty, by that time, it may be flooding the engine. On a momentary switch it would take about 4-5 seconds as the fuel mist doesn't inject a lot of fuel. I've had no experience with a carb, only the terminator injection. The adjustment range seemed really small between fat and lean IIRC. But it's been about 7-8 years since I have messed with one.

 

I've run the Primer Plus on both a carb and a Terminator. It works fine with both but the carb can be a little more difficult. Okay, here is a series of questions. First, you do have a jet installed in the end of the Primer Plus plate correct? You need the jet, don't depend on the stupid needle valve. Matter of fact I just ended up getting rid of it, it screwed up after a while anyway so I just chunked it. I don't know what engine you're running at what altitude but try starting with about a 35 jet in the PP.


Second, you say you have two switches, one for meth and one for gas. I'm assuming you are using a switch for an electric pump for methanol and the other to turn on the PP? You need to MAKE SURE that the methanol pump is shutting the fuel completely off.



Third, you are using a solenoid valve in line with the small Facet pump to shut off the gasoline flow, correct?


Fourth, you do have the primer mounted with enough room under the carb (meaning an open spacer) that the fuel has room to spray upward in order to atomize?


Okay, after you have checked all those and made sure they are set up properly then you can try starting the car on gas.


Make sure the fuel bowls are empty, you can shut your methanol fuel pump off and run the engine till it runs out of meth or just drain the bowls. Next give the engine a shot of gas and try to start it and see if it fires. If it fires then flip the primer switch back on, start the engine and try adjusting the idle speed screw on the carb to give yourself a clean idle. You may have to change the jet in the Primer Plus in order to achieve this.



Now comes the part I didn't like about running a Primer Plus with a carb. The engine is running and the bowls are DRY. You now flip the methanol fuel pump on to fill the bowls and when the engine starts to slow down you can turn OFF the Primer Plus switch. Now you are running on Meth and you're ready to race right??? Not so fast Bunky. Guess what, your secondary accelerator pump is probably empty. This happens especially if you decided to change jets in the carburetor. You will need to either manually pump the secondary pump to prime it or have someone else do it if you are already in the car. Or pump the crap out of it with your foot which now dumps a bunch of methanol in the engine.


These problems go away with fuel injection. It's super simple, start the car on the primer, pull the fuel shutoff open, turn off primer pump and voila, you're racing.


I hope my suggestions have helped. Let me know if you have any questions. Good luck and happy racing.

 

Cashflow,
Thanks for all the advice...


However... "Guess what, your secondary accelerator pump is probably empty. This happens especially if you decided to change jets in the carburetor. You will need to either manually pump the secondary pump to prime it or have someone else do it if you are already in the car. Or pump the crap out of it with your foot which now dumps a bunch of methanol in the engine." If I had know this in advance I would have NEVER purchased this Killer Ron's Primer Plus. It makes it pretty much useless in my eyes. It would have been nice if the company would let people know this on their page rather than making this thing seem like the best thing since sliced bread. What a piece of overpriced JUNK!

 

Not sure I would call it overpriced junk just because it has more involved with using it than you expected. It's still a great system that works fine for many.


That doesn't make something junk. It makes it more involved than you're willing to do. If that makes something junk to you, we'll you have issues, not the parts, IMHO.

 

I guess something being an overpriced "piece of junk" is relative to the particular reason it was purchased and how well it serves that purpose. I'm sure this is a great setup with EFI. However, if I have to fiddle around with my secondary's all the time on my alchy carb, then this thing is pretty worthless to me. The reason that I bought it was to make things simpler, not 'more involved'.



My biggest gripe is that the Killer Ron's website makes no mention what-so-ever of this unit being 'more involved' with an alchy carb. Otherwise, I would haven't even consider buying it.

Not sure I would call it overpriced junk just because it has more involved with using it than you expected. It's still a great system that works fine for many.


That doesn't make something junk. It makes it more involved than you're willing to do. If that makes something junk to you, we'll you have issues, not the parts, IMHO.

 

An Alky carburetor does not need a primer system from my experience. My friend has a 1050 custom alky carb on his 421 SBC. He does not even have a lean out valve. It starts and runs perfectly with no milking of the oil at all. He previously had a gas 1050 and before that an older Rupert 1050 alky. None of them were a problem.

Another friend has a Ken Jones 1250 alky on his BBC bracket engine. He does use a lean out valve to get it up to temperature more quickly. He does give it a little gas out of a plastic squeeze bottle the first start up of the day, but not after that.

 

Blue, I don't think they do carbs. Might be why no verbiage on their page. They really do have a great system for Methanol. Get a hold of James, he's very helpful.

 

I just talked to them on the phone. They said, "We sell the Primer Plus to guys with Alcohol Carbs all the time and they never have any problems."


Well, I got it running on it... "barely". Won't idle. Won't restart. The only thing that I see this useful for is burning up my starter messing with it.


Plus, if the secondary bowl issue is for real, then I have ZERO use for it anyways.

 

Okay, anyone with EFI wanna make me a reasonable offer on this Killer Ron's Primer Plus... shoot me a DM. I wouldn't even want to sell this to anyone with an Alchy Carb.

 

I have run one for years with alky injection. Wouldn't run my car without it. A carb however induces a whole different situation where the idle circuit continues to feed the engine untill the bowls are dry, like cash is saying. Wouldn't fool with one with a carb.

 

Agreed, unfortunately I learned this the hard way.

 

Are you going to be at either the divisional race at Great Bend or the National in Dallas? Sorry, I will not be in Noble for their race. I swore I wouldn’t go back. I would like to visit with you personally. If you’re not I will send you a private message, it’s easier to type and then cut and paste than to type something that’s really long. I have some ideas that I want to explain.