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Phillip Oakley
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Att Div 3 Top dragster and Top Sportsman racers.

Many of you have contacted me about the race at Indy. It is 1/4mile not 1/8mile.
It has also been brought to my Att that a few of you had some not so nice things to say about me at Columbus thinking I was behind trying to get the races to the 1/8 mile. You were wrong and correct!

After watching car count at Norwalk after the pdra race and the total lack of participation for the NHRA race I called Will and told him I would not be the sponsor for either class in 2025.
I felt the classes were headed in the wrong direction. He advised me that there may be a National and Divisional on back to back weekends 1/8 mile. It was going to be in 2025. I asked why are we waiting, we need to get our customers back!

So we had talks and talked with racers in Saint Louis at a Super quick event with a TD and Ts quick 16.
Before the race at Columbus he told me he had talked with track operators and Indy, Gateway, and Beech bend were a go. I told him perfect I want 5000 to win at Beech bend and I have purse covered.

Fast forward I get thrown under the bus at Columbus and we come back with decision to run 1/4 mile.
I wish everyone in both of these classes the best. Jay and I have spent 10s of thousands of dollars sponsoring these classes. For someone to say I am trying to hurt the class is total BS.

Our classes are so hard to get outside help and when we do we soon lose it to another sanction Body. We are also loosing our racers!
These are the facts! The facts are not all track operators are happy with turnout! Fact I have never tried to do anything but grow these classes! Fact I appreciate every customer we have in these classes and every person that has been kind to myself and my family!

My sponsorship value was based on 40 plus cars when I originally signed in the class and it’s sure not now.
Hope things are better for all moving forward.

 

I run Top Sportsman, and prefer 1/4 mile.
I run multiple events and travel sometimes dictates I chose 1/8 mile over 1/4 mile.

It is what it is. We just don’t have the cars we used to.
Especially under pedo joe.
It‘s gotten worse the last three years🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

FACTS ARE FACTS.

 

I'd say if NHRA would look into the SFI specs as to why Mild Steel chassis can't go at least 6.50 - 7.0 they'd get a lot more cars.

As has been said a million times SFI requires NASCAR chassis to be Mild Steel, and they crash all the time.

 

I'd say if NHRA would look into the SFI specs as to why Mild Steel chassis can't go at least 6.50 - 7.0 they'd get a lot more cars.

As has been said a million times SFI requires NASCAR chassis to be Mild Steel, and they crash all the time.

Personally I only know one car in T/S that is mild steel.
It is even older than mine, and it is because of cost.
They would probably not be in T/S without a car that old & cheap.

My car is old because I'm old and have been running the same car for a very long time.
It was a NHRA P/S that aged out and was modified for A/PM.


Would there be more guys interested, probably, but many of them can't afford to run quicker than 7.50's anyway.
These guys I mentioned are in the high 7's and have been for many many years.

When I started there was actually a bunch of actual street cars running in T/S.
Some with a back half or partial chassis.
I even ran my old US Navy daily driver saturday at a T/S event because my Pro car is getting an engine change.
An actual GM car car with a cage, not even a back half or partial chassis.

I've also said many times after learning that nascar uses mild steel.
WHY.
Why are they allowed to use mild steel in 200 mph cars heavier than ours, that end up in horrific crashes.
Our design is also pretty damn substandard.
I looked at several cars Saturday because of the death recently of our T/S brother.
The F/C cages are ridiculous.
They are not deep enough or enclosed enough to keep us safe.

My F/C cage is much much much more substantial than every car I saw.

 

I agree with your interpretation of the F/C cages. I have driven a real pro mod car (Not with PM engine, but would cert to be a PM), and yeah the FC cage starts at your knees almost.

After you sit in a PM you see why they can crash at 260-270 and for the most part walk away relatively uninjured. PM cars are probably the safest of all the drag cars out there right now.

The issue I have with the ruleset is the exact same chassis build in CM is now all the sudden safer than the MS chassis, due to material only? Even though the reason MS cars are heavier is due to the heavier wall tubing and nothing else. Shouldn't the use of MS and heavier wall tubing compensate for the Lighter walled CM? Not to mention CM notoriously cracks over years of hauling and use, not saying MS doesn't, but it has much better longevity than a CM car due to the nature of MS flexibility vs CM.

If SFI wants a car to be safer, it needs variations of bars in certain areas for crush zones, not different materials (Based on the 2 we use)

 

Have they even posted why nascar is required to use steel and we are required to use moly???

I know why we do it, but why do they require it.

I know people must have asked them 10000 times!!!!

 

I've been doing extensive research to find anything and everything, and all I can find is a bunch of people questioning the rules on the internet.

That being said I have not seen anyone explain why the 7.50 limit exists. Both welders, and tech officials are saying they'd rather be in a sever wreck in a properly build MS car due to its energy absorption qualities.

That being said I'd say after a decent crash a MS car is junk, but a CM car can be front and back halved most of the time and keep going.

 

I've been doing extensive research to find anything and everything, and all I can find is a bunch of people questioning the rules on the internet.

That being said I have not seen anyone explain why the 7.50 limit exists. Both welders, and tech officials are saying they'd rather be in a sever wreck in a properly build MS car due to its energy absorption qualities.

That being said I'd say after a decent crash a MS car is junk, but a CM car can be front and back halved most of the time and keep going.

My buddies with the mild steel T/S car have been on the roof twice.
It’s still racing, we raced together Saturday.
It actually has my roof on it from an old shell i had laying around last time it crashed.

It has been repaired multiple times.

 

The lack of cars at NHRA races is not because they run 1/4 mile, it is because the way NHRA treats the racers. PDRA would get large fields whether it was 1/8 mile or 1/2 mile.

 

WELL SAID.

 

NHRA is killing drag racing, especially sportsman racers. Grahm Light needs to go, and NHRA leadership needs to rethink everything.

 

PDRA pays 4k for Elite winners and 3k for regular TS, TD. Thats twice as much as we run for at NHRA, and their fields always seem to be full.

 

We really are idiots and keep enabling them to screw us over!!!

The same with wdra.

We should have boycotted every one of those tracks and supported Larry 100%!!!
Why just keep shooting ourselves in the foot!!!



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Jeffers is one of us. He's just a little guy mentality that happened to hit the big time, but he's one of the few who did not forget where he came from.

Its a damn shame everyone keeps following the guys in collard shirts rather than the guys with dirty hands!

 

Trust me on this, (my own experience of racing ALL the National and ALL the Divisional NHRA Div. 4, and some of the Division 2, for 22 years), when you finally get tired of the insults, demeaning comments, arrogance and ignorance of their Tech people, and generally poor treatment by the management, you will Stop Attending their races. When you finally do this, you will realize, like I did, you are a happier racer.

 

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I've also said many times after learning that nascar uses mild steel.
WHY.
Why are they allowed to use mild steel in 200 mph cars heavier than ours, that end up in horrific crashes.
Our design is also pretty damn substandard.

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The top three series in nascar all use mild steel but it is A LOT thicker wall tubing everywhere, a cup car is now about 3800 lbs. , trucks and Xfinity are in the 3500 lb. range.

 

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I've also said many times after learning that nascar uses mild steel.
WHY.
Why are they allowed to use mild steel in 200 mph cars heavier than ours, that end up in horrific crashes.
Our design is also pretty damn substandard.

The top three series in nascar all use mild steel but it is A LOT thicker wall tubing everywhere,
a cup car is now about 3800 lbs. , trucks and Xfinity are in the 3500 lb. range.
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How in the hell do they get them to weigh that much!!!
That's basically 1500 pounds more than us.
I know they have more bars than us, and carry more fuel, but our engines are much bigger.
How much does the damn body weigh, and what wall are they using!!!!


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