Count down to Old Henry, 5,4,3,2,

 

 

Welcome back to pushrod goodness fellas. Hey the guy in the video mentions something about LS style lifter. No as I understand it it is an off the shelf lifter that GM and Mopar currently use in the LS and Gen III hemi respectively.

The bean counters at Ford couldn’t resist the temptation to simply buy an engineered lifter rather than put an original Ford one in there.

What a tragedy. Money crunchers ruin everything.

 

Starting to see quite a few reports of lifter/cam failure on these engines due to delaminating. Shows up around 35,000 miles. Hate to see that; we've dealt with lifter and cam issues with LS and Chrysler Gen III Hemis until we're blue in the face.

Here's an example.

Definitely time to upgrade the lifters on all three engine platforms.

 

A friend of mine works for Ford and told me yesterday he had a 7.3 come in and the lobe is gone on the camshaft but the roller is mint on the lifter.

 

So the GM part overpowered the Ford part?
😎

And I own a 7.3 engine it's diesel, but same thing.

 

A guy with FedEx said the 7.3's they have are killing the cams about 30k. The LS fleet just keeps rolling.

 

Ya, we’ve never heard of any lifter problems in the LS line.

Listen guys as I’ve said in another thread I’ve seen this before. The 6.0 & 6.4 Powerstroke used the same lifter. Possibly the same supplier. They had problems with those tiny GM sized lifters as well.

The standard Ford lifter size was .874” while the typical GM lifter came in at .842”.

This step backward to the off the shelf GM size has to be contributing to the problem I suspect. It certainly did in the Powerstroke engines.

With the smaller lifter bore diameter you obviously have to spec out a smaller wheel. That smaller wheel is a problem in my opinion.

LS and Mopar and even the Powerstroke 6.0 and 6.4 have had lifter problems. The bean counters at Ford apparently are idiots.

You know what fixed the problem in the Ford built 6.7 Powerstroke? Yes a large diameter (1”+) with a correspondingly larger wheel.

 

It doesn't matter to me Henry. I was just quoting someone.

 

I had a customer come in with an engine noise on the 7.3 and found out it wiped out the cam...luckily it was still under warranty..

 

Replaced with same parts, or are there updates....?

 

Real world use shows the ****** in any engine design. Is this a lifter problem or oil/maintenance?

 

Real world use shows the ** in any engine design. Is this a lifter problem or oil/maintenance?

The guy I dealt with is spot on with oil changes

 

I hope this is a bad batch and not a problem endemic to the design. The lifters in a stock engine shouldn’t be too overstressed.

The camshaft in a Godzilla is pretty large in diameter. I think it’s 55 or 60 mm. The larger you go the faster the surface speed so there’s that.

I think Ford did their math right. Normally things like this are due to manufacturing defects.

The silver lining is that these seem to be failing within the warranty period and possibly, hopefully these replacements will allow a stockpile of rebuildable cores to accumulate and maybe feed the guys that want to hot rod them.

Cautiously optimistic that this will be resolved quickly.

 

Why are you blaming the lifter when apparently there are documented cam failures and the lifter was OK? Nevermind, I know the answer! Lol
Maybe a cam core issue?

 

Farley told us…..Ford quality has tanked, and it will be awhile before it gets any better.

 

Maybe you misunderstood something. The lifters in question are the exact same part from the exact same vender that GM uses. Are we going to see delaminating lifters in the 6.2’s and 5.3’s?

 

Perhaps the godzilla oiling or spring pressure is part of the problem???

 

I'm not on here much, but is seems like Henry floored has mastered the art of mental gymnastics in making everything ford seem superior and always being able to point the finger at any other manufacturer

 

……and you would be wrong. I’m simply stating the facts. We have an off the shelf lifter that has already seen failures in other manufacturers engines. The GM and Mopar equivalent.

The bastard bean counters undoubtedly stepped in and steered (forced) engineering to use the smaller diameter lifter because that is a massive savings.

I don’t know how that is blaming anyone but Ford for this dust up. I could give two shits what GM and Mopar do and I don’t jump into threads criticizing their shit. You Chevy boys do that.

 

55k on mine, no issues yet (on the engine at least).

 

Godzilla is turning into the Edsella of engines! LOL

 

I looked into this 440. As of three hours ago my local busy Ford dealership has had exactly one 7.3 engine job. It was an Amazon truck and was not cam or lifter related.

I also looked around the internet to see what the hubbub is and I found three videos from the same technician regarding this issue.

To my knowledge there are no other sensational videos that pertain to Godzilla cam/lifter failures.

I noticed on a Ford truck website there are a few customers with this issue and all that I found are being taken care of under warranty.

This is my fuck you sentence to everyone that has to make this a personal attack on me. I feel after 25 years of Ford dealership experience that this is pointing to a manufacturing defect and is probably “batch” related.

Im kinda pissed off at a couple of you guys that show me disrespect constantly. I’m not some fucking kid with no idea about what’s going on.

I certainly could be wrong and this could be a design failure but I don’t think so. I think any group of decent engineers should be able to spec out a lifter of sufficient durability provided the design specs have been met.

So there you go.

 

Want respect? Earn it!

 

When you come at me with a substantive argument then we can engage but until then what am I supposed to do with the ad hominem attacks?

 

Proper specifications can do a LOT to prevent failures - dimensional, hardness, hardness depth, surface finish, etc.

"Sell me an LS lifter." would be a collosial mistake.

 

I think you guys get mixed up. You can’t discern when I’m having fun or I’m serious. That’s my fault. I’m good at dry humor.

I have myself to blame for sure.

 

I've said it a million times, sarcasm needs its own font...

 

Go back to posting soft porn.

 

LOL..Meltdown in progress....!!!

 

The guy in the video is a pinecone. Just saying

 

Typical Ford junk. Quality is Job 1, yeah right!

 

Like the LS junk lifters gm is in lawsuits over. Got it

 

https://www.mylemon.com/lemon-law-blog/general-motors-engine-valve-lifter-class-action-lawsuit/

 

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2021/12/general-motors-v8-engine-valve-lifter-lawsuit-claims-recall-is-needed/amp/

 

Oh boy. Now What.