Will this save Outlaw 10.5?

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J.P.

Discussion Starter · Sep 11, 2008

Texas King of the Hill came up with a new set of rule last night to try and increase car counts at the events.

I call it the GMAC rules, it is no secret that Grant has found the combination that has put him so far ahead of the competition that no one else wants to play in the sand box.

So they voted and here is what is happening and in effect at the next race.

Nitrous cars will get a 100 lb weight break (2900 lbs)

Turbo cars add 100 lbs (3100 lbs)
Maximum size turbo will be an 88 MM

Will ORSCA follow suit? It seems that the two organizations have always shared rules so everyone would be legal.

He is your chance to voice your opinion, speak now or forever hold your peace!

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Rod Short

· #101 · Sep 12, 2008

tom_cowle said:
Rod, you don't think a filter company could resolve this issue?

I've seen them on SuperStock pulling tractors running boost levels as much (and more) as these cars are using.

Tom, I suppose they could and I know this is all speculative, but I'm guessing you'd have to run a "spec" filter that provides a known amount of restriction. Otherwise, people would go with less restrictive designs and I think all you'd ultimately have is a bunch of cars that are running just a sfast as they were w/o a filter. A lot of installations probably wouldn't allow space for a spec filter with a set size as so many installations are different, e.g. under the header, sticking thru the hood, behind the grille.

That's why I'm suggesting a turbine inlet restriction. Most applications use a weld flange with a clamp anyway for quick removal. Make the restrictor a part of the weld flange. Make the turbo work harder.

Again, I'm trying to think of a way that's easier for the tech people (they usually aren't able to measure the compressor wheel inducer anyway, nor do most of them know the difference between an inducer or an exducer) and as simple and inexpensive as possible.

M.Stavrinos

· #102 · Sep 12, 2008

Turbos are exactly like blowers are to pro mod, who wants to see all turbo cars race each other? Im down for whatever gets the fans in the stands because that what this sport needs right now.

331coupe

· #103 · Sep 12, 2008

Like I said I think if some of these big inch nitrous guys would put a clutch behind there setups you would see alot quicker times out of these cars.

cajunoutlaw

· #104 · Sep 12, 2008

Here's an easy solution and not restrict the "OUTLAW"
SB Nitrous 2200
SB Turbo 2800
BB NA 2400
BB Nitrous (under 5") 2700
BB Nitrous (5" and up) 2800
BB Single Turbo 3000
BB Twin Turbo 3100

z289sec

· #105 · Sep 12, 2008

M.Stavrinos said:
Turbos are exactly like blowers are to pro mod, who wants to see all turbo cars race each other? Im down for whatever gets the fans in the stands because that what this sport needs right now.

Exactly, that's what makes watching Pro Mods now a major snoozefest.

99.99% Blowers.

Jeremy Glass

· #106 · Sep 12, 2008

cajunoutlaw said:
Here's an easy solution and not restrict the "OUTLAW"
SB Nitrous 2200
SB Turbo 2800
BB NA 2400
BB Nitrous (under 5") 2700
BB Nitrous (5" and up) 2800
BB Single Turbo 3000
BB Twin Turbo 3100

Big block single turbo and small block single turbo have run virtually identical ETs. Big block with an auto and small block with a 5 speed.

And, there is no way you are going to get a backhalf car to 2200lbs for nitrous small block. 2300, BG probably can, but not 2200.

Jeremy Glass

· #107 · Sep 12, 2008

The funny thing is, grants car is reported to be right at 3100lbs already.

prospec1

· #108 · Sep 12, 2008

Grant told me last week his car cant get any lighter than 3090#

Jeremy Glass

· #109 · Sep 12, 2008

prospec1 said:
Grant told me last week his car cant get any lighter than 3090#

I think hes going to have the last laugh.

Procrew

· #110 · Sep 12, 2008

BACARTY said:
Kieth sexton has been running mid 170's. 174-176.
Joe newsham, your orsca points champ, a twin turbo mustang with 91's is running... you guess'd it, 174-176

And the time I talked to Chris he said they had Gt47-88's on it. Which should be the rule. We have gone 210 mph multiple times on terrible runs with no real boost. I agree with the limit, but I dont think reducers should be allowed.

cadpro

· #111 · Sep 12, 2008

Here's my 2 cents:

1) Its never easy being the promoter. There is NEVER anything you are going to do that makes everyone happy. Matt has done what he can with KOTH; if you don't like it, build your own sandbox.

2) Its never easy being the fast guy. You work hard all year on making your stuff better. When you hit the nail on the head, you get one or two guys that complain or threaten to go home, and it makes the promotors take a look at your combo and are forced to make changes. Some people are willing to do whatever it takes (and I'm not talking about the $$$), and others aren't. Plain and simple

3) Restricting turbo size is going to do way more to "slow" these cars down than adding weight, and I don't think 3mm is enough. 10mm? now we are talking. 100lbs? Not enough, but I think these cars are already to fast for the speeds they are running. There is no way a 3000-plus lb car running over 180mph in the 1/8th or over 220mph in the 1/4 can be made "safe". Nitrous cars are affected more by weight changes than turbo cars.

4) Hind sight being 20-20, I think Big Block Twin Turbo combos should have never been allowed in the 1st place. I think it would have been pretty even with small-block twins, versus big-inch big block nitrous, versus small (under 600") big blocks with a single turbo. There are alot of the above combos out there right now running high 4.40s to mid 4.50s, at 165-170mph. Grant's car is just a freak show amoung reality.

5) As a car builder, its so hard (&expensive)to build a car that can compete in multiple organizations with a wide variety of rules and combinations. In a perfect world, there needs to be a nation-wide series, with "divisional" as well as "national" events, with one-set of rules, that is run by more than just racers themselves (no offense Matt). I think ADRL is on the right track with their XTF, but I'd like to see more west-coast and mid-west events, as well as some "division" oriented events.

Just my opinion...

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wheelie

· #112 · Sep 12, 2008

Stick a fork in outlaw 10.5!!

rkimmis

· #113 · Sep 12, 2008

wheelie said:
Stick a fork in outlaw 10.5!!

hey, what the hell do you know LOL. whats up ,you should come down to smn ozark boat races. see ya mike

wheelie

· #114 · Sep 12, 2008

rkimmis said:
hey, what the hell do you know LOL. whats up ,you should come down to smn ozark boat races. see ya mike

Boat races? I heard it was going to rain, hope you kick ass there this weekend, good luck give me a call if you need help.

rkimmis

· #115 · Sep 12, 2008

wheelie said:
Boat races? I heard it was going to rain, hope you kick ass there this weekend, good luck give me a call if you need help.

yeah i think the only ass kickin is gonna mother nature kickin our ass

wheelie

· #116 · Sep 12, 2008

rkimmis said:
yeah i think the only ass kickin is gonna mother nature kickin our ass

Who knows man, it was supposed to rain here all day, and I havent seen any

big nitrous sniffer

· #117 · Sep 12, 2008

Todd Kitchen said:
To bad Mobley wasn't on the "committee". heard Mobley thinks they can go some mid-high 30s next time out. (with the NOS car)

yes it still has more in it

WadeMooney

· #118 · Sep 12, 2008

Eddie Wilson said:
I heard talk this past weekend that ORSCA was going to choke the Turbo cars. I asked the question "how?"

True 88s no reducer allowed.

Where did you hear this? I work for ORSCA and have not heard one thing about that.

I firmly believe removing the wheelie bars for all 10.5s will fix it.

Look at our limited street class.nitrous vs turbo

Jeremy Glass

· #119 · Sep 12, 2008

WadeMooney.com said:
Where did you hear this? I work for ORSCA and have not heard one thing about that.

I firmly believe removing the wheelie bars for all 10.5s will fix it.

Look at our limited street class.nitrous vs turbo

Removing wheelie bars on 10.5 cars?

That is the most retarded thing ive ever heard.

Billy Stocklin

· #120 · Sep 12, 2008

WadeMooney.com said:
Where did you hear this? I work for ORSCA and have not heard one thing about that.

I firmly believe removing the wheelie bars for all 10.5s will fix it.

Look at our limited street class.nitrous vs turbo

What? Why don't we just race in reverse, or how about go to the finish line and then turn around and go back to the start, and first one back to the start/ finish line wins. That would even things up a bit. What are you thinking?

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