Some wont even take a Gasket!!! if you did not build with it in the first place
Will this save Outlaw 10.5?
Texas King of the Hill came up with a new set of rule last night to try and increase car counts at the events.
I call it the GMAC rules, it is no secret that Grant has found the combination that has put him so far ahead of the competition that no one else wants to play in the sand box.
So they voted and here is what is happening and in effect at the next race.
Nitrous cars will get a 100 lb weight break (2900 lbs)
Turbo cars add 100 lbs (3100 lbs)
Maximum size turbo will be an 88 MM
Will ORSCA follow suit? It seems that the two organizations have always shared rules so everyone would be legal.
He is your chance to voice your opinion, speak now or forever hold your peace!
I call it the GMAC rules, it is no secret that Grant has found the combination that has put him so far ahead of the competition that no one else wants to play in the sand box.
So they voted and here is what is happening and in effect at the next race.
Nitrous cars will get a 100 lb weight break (2900 lbs)
Turbo cars add 100 lbs (3100 lbs)
Maximum size turbo will be an 88 MM
Will ORSCA follow suit? It seems that the two organizations have always shared rules so everyone would be legal.
He is your chance to voice your opinion, speak now or forever hold your peace!
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Blown Alcohol 3 to 1 AFR and 9500 BTU per pound
Race Gas @ 9 to 1 AFR and 22,000 BTU per pound
three times the fuel for Alcohol would be 28,500 BTU
Does Q-16 have more BTU or will it run at a Much lower AFR?
Q16 is highly oxygenated.
That's fine make two nitrous kits two power adders. :axe:What is Grant's current combo? Twin 91's?
Even with single turbo's and blowers the time are going to continue to escalate. Despite the fact that in flys in the face of "Outlaw" dropping twin turbos from the class would probably be a good idea for its future.
Lots of organizations rules say "single power adder only", just declare that the second turbo is a second PA. (Maybe allow "twins" on V6 entries.)
Intercoolers today arent restricting anything. They are still getting as much, if not more than enough air into the engine.
Many guys run the same compression as gasoline engines while running alcohol.
Even a 1/4" thick, most guys headers and exhaust are not built to allow that kind of clearance.
You can't make blanket statements like that, Jeremy.
I hear you, but I can't think of anything else that would makes $ense. People can't afford to reconfigure their entire cars.Some wont even take a Gasket!!! if you did not build with it in the first place
I'm not being smart but, seriously, can you think of a cheaper alternative that allows people to keep their exisiting equipment?
Run filters in front of the turbo's, very cheap way
Sure i can. Ive seen intercoolers that barely show a 3 psi loss.You can't make blanket statements like that, Jeremy.
And, if you think guys can unbolt their headers and insert something 1/4" thick, im going to bet you havent worked on many turbo cars.
Yes, stick to the rules.I hear you, but I can't think of anything else that would makes $ense. People can't afford to reconfigure their entire cars.
I'm not being smart but, seriously, can you think of a cheaper alternative that allows people to keep their exisiting equipment?
You know, 3000lbs and hope you brought enough.
They could swallow them. Had this happen to customers when I was Sales Manager at Precision Turbo. That would just cause damage and make it more expensive for the racer.Run filters in front of the turbo's, very cheap way
"Could" doesn't count, they could suck a rock or a bird just as easy.
"Could" doesn't count, they could suck a rock or a bird just as easy.
No, no, no . . . a wire reinforced filter has a lot more vulnerability. It's stck over the compressor inlet the entire time. A bird or even a stone has much less exposure.
With todays technology, yes, a 3000lbs car is only going to be able to put the power down so quickly.
Do i think nitrous cars are at a disadvantage? That is not the point. The point is that this is outlaw racing. Ill say it how they always said it, "3000lbs AND RWYB!" If your shit cant keep up, step up or step out.
Its funny, when the turbo cars werent running well, i didnt see any of them asking for breaks or help.
P.S.
Id hope that an 860" nitrous engine with 4 kits wouldnt be at a disadvantage.
hahaha so u do think they are at a disadvantage
That is for them to decide.
hahaha so u do think they are at a disadvantage
Everyone is allowed to build whatever combo they feel will be the best.
If they think 100K nitrous engines are the best, that is their opinion.
No, no, no . . . a wire reinforced filter has a lot more vulnerability. It's stck over the compressor inlet the entire time. A bird or even a stone has much less exposure.
Rod, you don't think a filter company could resolve this issue?
I've seen them on SuperStock pulling tractors running boost levels as much (and more) as these cars are using.
When penalize another combo because you cannot keep up?Rod, you don't think a filter company could resolve this issue?
I've seen them on SuperStock pulling tractors running boost levels as much (and more) as these cars are using.
I knew it was oxygenated, and i know you can run C-16 @ 9.5 to 1 AFR, does the Oxygenation add BTU or just lower the amount the AFR can be run at???Q16 is highly oxygenated.
to equal the BTU potential of Alcohol it would have to run at around 7 or 7.5 to 1 AFR if it were 22,000 BTU
I spent 5 years as Sales Manager at Precision Turbo and worked in the same capacity at Sonny's Racing Engines. There's not doubt nitrous engines are at a disadvantage.
hahaha so u do think they are at a disadvantage
And this is exactky the point. Otherwise it's Outlaw Turbo!
Q16 requires ~ 6% fuel increase over c 16.I knew it was oxygenated, and i know you can run C-16 @ 9.5 to 1 AFR, does the Oxygenation add BTU or just lower the amount the AFR can be run at???
to equal the BTU potential of Alcohol it would have to run at around 7 or 7.5 to 1 AFR if it were 22,000 BTU
Dam JG will you be my crew chief..lolQ16 requires ~ 6% fuel increase over c 16.
No, its a nitrous engine.Dam JG will you be my crew chief..lol
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