The 2018 NHRA Pro Mod season was awesome. Great / competitive racing all year long. Now that we are in the off-season rule discussions are taking place in public & privately.
I don't have the stats but it appears both Blown & Turbo entries have run 5.60's several times in competition. Nitrous Teams have several passes in the 5.72 range with one pass going 5.719 I believe.
ARE Nitrous Teams behind ?? Should there be a rule adjustment based on Data ? This forum appreciates and often asks member ProModVette for statistical Data....if your out there can you please provide data and let us know if data shows Nitrous cars to be at a disadvantage ?
Recently the Top 2 NHRA Nitrous Teams ( Ricky & Baloshi ) announced they were switching to Turbo Power. In Media Interviews Ricky stated the reason for the switch is he felt Nitrous cars could not be competitive and there needed to be a rule adjustment to correct that.
Are Nitrous Cars in fact behind Blown & Turbo Power adders in NHRA Competition ?
If the Data shows Nitrous combo is behind would allowing the larger 959 CI engine package into NHRA help make Nitrous cars more competitive ?
I Love the diversity in NHRA Pro Mod and the series is best when ALL 3 Power adders have chance to Win. With Ricky & Balooshi gone and some saying Bob Rahim also out I hope NHRA looks into this.
Wonder how much cost is playing a role in the switch also? I know its expensive to run any of these cars but i wonder if its more expensive to run a nitrous car in the class vs turbo or Blower. Nitrous around here has gotten pretty damn expensive.
My thought is strictly on fielding and running the cars, not upfront cost to build one.
Yes. Without something like this there won't be any nitrous cars running nhra promod. I believe most other groups like northeast outlaw promod and others are already allowing the 959 engines.
Get rid of the nitrous cars. They are too slow and outdated. Back to 2 power adders will help the class have easier to police parity. I just hope they leave it roots and turbos and not allow anything new in there like prochargers to fuck it all up again.
I say yes and make it easier for the Pro Nitrous cars to show up and compete. Without Rickie and team, there's only Chad Green and Bob Rahaim? left in 900 inch cars.
I do not own a Promod car, or know of anyone that does.
So, from a spectator view, I say allow them. I, as a spectator, like to see the diversity. It's good to see a Nitrous car take out a blower car, and vise versa.
If you don't keep the diversity, it's going to kill the class. jmo
I would hate to see the NOS cars go away or only 2-3 in the class. 1000 cubic inches, unlimited nos sytems, lock up, unlimited forward gears, 2350lbs. Turbo cars are boring, look just like pro stock, blown cars leave em alone, give a weight break for nostalgic body style to 50-75lbs. I know it costs a ton of money to run a pm. 959 would be worth 100th? 200th?
Agreed.. Id also like to see the procharger combo added. Promod is popular because of the variety. If one combo is dominant eventually the whole class will be the same and it will be no better than prostock. Hell half the field now is running the camaro body because its [supposedly] good for .010 over the other options.
and there was only 2 combo's then and we still loved the class.
Yes 3 combo's is even better, but how often should they make tweaks to one class or another??
If NHRA were to allow 959 CI engines in they would have a pool of 10-20 additional Nitrous cars currently running Pro Nitrous who would consider attending few NHRA events.
Maybe so, but few of them would be able run any quicker than Rickie - Why even limit them to 959? There's quite a few 960+ out there already in PDRA land.
So lets see, My memory not being what it used to be, but here goes. Pro stock started out stock body, weight break for small blocks, Jenkins builds vega and wins, I believe. Allowed small blocks, big blocks, monster motors,
Buddy ingersol builds turbo V6 that is allowed to run in IHRA prostock, gets close to winning, then not allowed to run IHRA or NHRA. Next NHRA goes to 500 ci with fixed min weight. Where is prostock now?
Add procharger to the mix, add weight to blower and turbo.
If you went to bigger nitrous motors, which top teams that are running them now would chase NHRA Points
a side note, I count 3 engine builders that have won all of the nhra prostock races since the change to fuel injection, Summit, Elite, Gray, and looks like 1 is going away. So will promod become the proline race series? No I do not hate proline.
I think they need to cut costs but keep it competitive.Allowing 959" motors is expensive. Wouldn't it be easiest to just add weight to blowers and turbos to slow them just a bit? Making stuff lighter is expensive,lead is cheap.
Corcon, I agree with this. To up the engines from what they are to 960 ci can be a huge expense.
As you said "Lead is Cheap" and this can be added or removed with very few other modifications and on fairly short notice.
Even changing boost maximums is not an easy task as it affects your tune up in a big way which can mean a lot more testing.
I would also like to see the "Prochargers" permitted into NHRA.
How about letting in the bigger nitrous engine cars in with a lead penalty.
It would take a bit of tweaking with the rules, but would make for an awesome NHRA Pro Mod racing series.
Personally I thought the 2018 NHRA PM series was a very well balanced year with the 3 power adders.
Dave
Hi,what company sells a PandG tool for nine hundred inches???? maybe douglas knows? since he knows of several big motors in PDRA.He douglas is also accusing some body of cheating.Rgds Robert Hallberg Musi Racing Engines
I say give nitrous cars 959" and 5 forward gears, add in pro charged combos as well. Diversity from a fans stand point breeds excitement. I think that 959" n20 combos being legal would attract more nitrous racers to the nhra races from the other sanctioning bodies in the country. Lets those guys compete more places without having to deal with the different displacement rules. The pro chargers can compete, just a matter of RPM/NHRA working to approve it for the class. Just my .02 from a fans standpoint
If they were hurting for cars, sure let the prochargers in. But clearly they aren't hurting and that will only cause yet another parity headache that is not needed.
As a fan, don't slow the cars down. I love seeing 5.60's in good air/tracks. As far as the cost for nitrous cars to switch to 960's? I bet it would've been cheaper for Rickie than switching to turbos. How many nitrous cars are left in the NHRA that we're concerned with the cost? Meanwhile, PDRA has no problem attracting 960ci Pro Nitrous cars.
I talked to a few guys that run the 959" and bigger motors they do not think the motors would live long at all. To much stroke was the common denominator. All said need less weight and that the lock up was a day late dollar short.........
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