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RJS will only certify your belts if they are within a year out of date.
I sent mime in that were two years out of date and they would not certify them so i ask them to return them with a new set that i purchased from them for a race i was running. They sent the new belts and said UPS loss my old belts.As far as i know UPS has a tracking system. This was on 4/20/17 and i am still waiting for Steve Cocarro with RJS to make this right. Either return my old belts which i can resell or issue me a credit for thier value. We have been emailing each other since 4/17, on 10/17 he said he may have found them and he would get back to me, he didn't. Be careful dealing with this company.
 

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Email is the problem.....just call & ask him the value of used/expired belts that cannot be re-certified?
 

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First off, in case there are some that don't know, RJS is under new ownership. Has been for a little while now.

Secondly, this makes no sense. They (both old and new owners) told me that recerting consists of replacing all the webbing. So why would they not recert a 2 year OOD harness?

This just brings up more Sfi money grab crap. Why can circle jerk guys go 5 years and cars from the 60's go 50 years on belts and harnesses and they're just fine in the event of an accident? Yeah I know, "its only a hundered bucks", but it's the principal. Why should we "need" to? Because Sfi says so? Sfi can be just as bad for drag racing as the NHRA.
 

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Email is the problem.....just call & ask him the value of used/expired belts that cannot be re-certified?
I called and talked to Steve and he keeps saying USPS loss my belts. I am sure they insure their out going packages. I did purchase a new set from him and he did send me those but did not send my old belts back that i sent him that were twice at heavy strand as the new ones he sold me. He owes me some kind of credit or the old belts back that i can sell on ebay.
 

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Ask for a tracking number again., then go to UPS with it. If he won't give you a tracking number, you're screwed. I feel for you, but in the bigger scope of things, let it go.
 

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Hell, call him back and tell him to make it right or your going to return the new belts for a refund and go buy a set of Simpson or some brand other than RJS then email him a link to this thread.
 

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Email is the problem.....just call & ask him the value of used/expired belts that cannot be re-certified?
I always email.It leaves a trail that cannot be disputed if there is a discrepancy or dispute. None of this "but you said" crap.
 

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As usual your story is full of one-sided views and half truth. Yes your belt was lost. I sold you a new belt 134.95 value at a re-web price of 60.00. The same cost you would of paid for a re-web of your old belt. When we re-web a belt we cut all the old webbing off the harness and reuse the hardware and replace the webbing. We will re-web any of the RJS belts for up to 8 years not our rule SFI says 10 years only. The tags are good for 2 years so the belt needs to be no more than 8 years old. We can only re-web a belt 3 times than you have to buy a new one also SFI rule. I am sorry your belt was lost but I sold you a new belt for the same cost as if we did the re-web so I don't understand what the issue is.
 

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Seat belt certs is a bunch of NHRA political shit. I picked up engines with a old seat belt. I can see 5 years maybe
 

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NHRA used SFI to test and set the limits on the belt recertification time. Maybe they should have got a second recommendation before settling on 2 years? Yes the belt manufacturers get to sell more belts that way, but did they have any influence on that SFI 2 year rule?

The one guy I know in the belt manufacturing business says he gets tired of the complaining and wishes the rule was changed to 4 years. But he does say that according to the test SFI uses, the belts are only 50% strength after 2 years. Maybe the test is too extreme? The belts are said to lose strength due to ultraviolet sun stress. Seems like better webbing material and retesting would be a good step toward changing the SFI standard?
 

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NHRA used SFI to test and set the limits on the belt recertification time. Maybe they should have got a second recommendation before settling on 2 years? Yes the belt manufacturers get to sell more belts that way, but did they have any influence on that SFI 2 year rule?

The one guy I know in the belt manufacturing business says he gets tired of the complaining and wishes the rule was changed to 4 years. But he does say that according to the test SFI uses, the belts are only 50% strength after 2 years. Maybe the test is too extreme? The belts are said to lose strength due to ultraviolet sun stress. Seems like better webbing material and retesting would be a good step toward changing the SFI standard?
Have you or him ever seen a belt break other than at the mounting point ?

Anyone ?
 

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the test SFI uses, the belts are only 50% strength after 2 years.
Awww bullshit!

The only time a harness gets used in a "race car" is when the driver straps himself in to race. The rest of the time the harness lays on the seat.

As opposed to a daily driver where a harness is used every time the key in the ignition is turned. So how can a harness in a race car be only 1/2 as good as new 2 years down the road when a daily driver harness goes decades?

We all know what pricks the Government can be when it comes to consumer safety. If harness webbing was only 1/2 as good 2 years down the road per Sfi, don't you think the Government would mandate harness be scrapped in less time?

They don't because it's another bullshit Sfi/NHRA/IHRA money grab excuse.
 

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I was told that car seat belts are made of a different grade and type of materiel, makes you wonder about why race belts are not made from the same stuff actual seat belts are? or are they the same type and grade? Also since seat belts from the OEM seem to last longer why does the NHRA and SFI demand the same metrial used in OEM seat belts be used in the harness?
 

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Ever notice how thin and flexible the belts in your street vehicle are? Wonder how they would fair in the NHRA/SFI standard test, of racing belts?
 

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Ever notice how thin and flexible the belts in your street vehicle are? Wonder how they would fair in the NHRA/SFI standard test, of racing belts?
YES!!! 2 different animals. Auto seat belts need to hold your 200 pounds in a seat at 80mph. Race belt as much as 300 mph.
 

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YES!!! 2 different animals. Auto seat belts need to hold your 200 pounds in a seat at 80mph. Race belt as much as 300 mph.
Ok let's use your theory here!

Car seat belt hold 200+ @ 80 single layer, correct? Then triple layer the OEM stuff and anyone with any knowledge know once you double and triple the use of the product, the strength also increases some as well. So even a single layer OEM is only rate/good for 80MPH in your example, tripling it might make it good for 300MPH.
 
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