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Because radial tire cars to the front, mother fucker?
 

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  • I don't know but here's the list of the other ten thousand rules one must follow to race...Sheesh!

    ( cliped off the Outlaws site.
    PTC RADIAL VS THE WORLD

    ANY CHASSIS OR ENGINE COMBO PERMITTED.
    ANY CONVERTER DRIVEN TRANSMISSION
    WHEELIE BARS PERMITTED

    TECH CARD 200.00 (32 CAR QUALIFIED FIELD)
    WINNER-10,000.00
    RUNNER-UP-2,500.00
    SEMI'S-1000.00
    1/4'S-400.00
    1/8'S-200.00



    MUST RUN ON A 315 DRAG RADIAL OR TRUE 10.5 TIRE
    NO W'S OR HOOSIER TT5 W'S

    SB NOS 2400 LBS
    BB NOS 2800 4.840 ENGINES
    BB NOS 2900 LBS 5.00 AND BIGGER
    SB SINGLE TURBO 3000LBS
    SB TWIN TURBO 3100 LBS
    SB PROCHARGER 3000 LBS
    BB PROCHARGER 3100 LBS
    BB TWIN TURBO 3250 LBSBB
    BB TWIN SUPERCHARGER 3200 LBS
    ROOTS BLOWER 3150 LBS
    ROOTS SCREW 3250 LBS




    TCI OUTLAW RADIAL RULES & PAYOUT

    STOCK TYPE SUSPENSION,RADIAL ONLY (275,295,325,315 RADIAL)
    NO WHEELIE BARS
    NO 4-LINKS OR LADDER BARS
    ANY CONVERTER DRIVEN TRANSMISSIONS
    NO DUAL POWER ADDERS


    TECH CARD 200.00 (32 CAR QUALIFIED FIELD)

    WINNER-7,000.00
    RUNNER-UP-2,000.00
    SEMI'S-1000.00
    1/4'S-400.00
    1/8'S-300.00


    SB NOS 2500 LBS
    BB NOS 2800 LBS 4.840 ENGINES
    BB NOS 2900 LBS 5.00 IN AND BIGGER
    SB SINGLE TURBO 3100
    SB TWINS 3250
    SB SINGLE PROCHARGER 3050
    SB TWIN PROCHARGER 3200
    BB PROCHARGER 3250
    BB SINGLE TURBO 3300
    BB TWINS GT 4788'S MAX 3350
    BB TWIN PROCHARGER 3350
    (NO PRO-MOD TURBOS ALLOWED)


    TRZ MOTORSPORTS X-275

    TECH CARD 150.00 (32 CAR QUALIFIED FIELD)

    WINNER-5,000.00
    RUNNER-UP-2,000.00
    SEMI'S-500.00
    1/4'S-300.00
    1/8'S-200.00



    FORMAT: This is an 1/8 mile heads-up class run on a .400 pro tree with a
    pro ladder. X275 is a qualified quick 8 field. Courtesy staging and
    autostart is in effect.

    BODY: The car must retain its original appearance, profiles, and
    dimensions. Factory roof and quarter panels must be used. Aftermarket
    fiberglass replacement panels are limited to hood, front fenders, doors,
    decklids, and bumpers only. All front ends must be of factory dimensions
    and cannot be stretched. Aftermarket wings and spoilers are permitted.
    Complete stock appearing front and rear bumpers are required. A hood
    must cover the entire induction system. Forward facing hood scoops/
    turbo or supercharger inlets are permitted.

    INTERIOR: Factory appearing dashboard, door panels, and driver seat is
    required. Full Carpet is required on floorboards. Factory floor pan on
    driver and passenger side required. Aftermarket steering column is permitted.

    WINDSHIELD/WINDOWS: OEM glass or lexan windows are permitted.

    CHASSIS: Complete stock chassis and frame rails must be retained.
    Back-halved cars are not permitted. Front core support may be modified
    or removed. Aftermarket bolt-on replacement front K-members/sub frames
    are allowed (if front shocks bolt to K-member then they must be in
    factory location). Mini tubs are allowed. Rear frame rails may be
    notched for clearance. Factory wheelbase must be maintained.

    ENGINE: Maximum displacement for all engines is 588ci. Small blocks are
    allowed any deck height. GM Big Blocks are limited to a 10.2 deck
    height. Ford Big Blocks are limited to a 10.3 deck height. Mopar Big
    Blocks are limited to a 10.7 deck height.

    TURBOCHARGERS: Turbochargers are measured at the inducer wheel; inducer
    wheel cannot exceed 88 mm, and must have a minimum clearance of .020 per
    side. Leading edge of inducer side of turbocharger must maintain the
    contour of the compressor housing. Inducer wheel must be able to accept
    the GO NO-GO gauge to a minimum of ½ inch. The exhaust turbine wheel
    major will not exceed 112 mm. No hybrid – cheater – thumper type
    turbos allowed. Inserts or reducers to achieve inlet or outlet
    dimensions prohibited. Any type intercooler is permitted. Turbochargers
    w/nitrous oxide are prohibited except on 2-rotor, inline 6 and
    4-cylinder engines.

    SUPERCHARGERS: Cog or gear driven superchargers are permitted, must meet
    all factory inlet, outlet, and internal housing dimensions. Inserts or
    reducers to achieve inlet or outlet dimensions prohibited. Any type
    intercooler is permitted. Cannot combine with nitrous oxide. Roots
    superchargers are limited to a 10-71. Centrifugal superchargers are
    permitted. Screw superchargers are not permitted.

    NITROUS OXIDE: Small block is permitted to run any type multi-stage
    nitrous systems. Big blocks are limited to a single stage nitrous system
    (A single stage fogger is permitted or if using a single plate then your
    limited to 1 fuel solenoid, 1 nitrous solenoid, and 1 purge solenoid,
    purge must exit engine compartment).

    TRANSMISSION: Any factory style automatic transmission allowed.
    Bruno-Lenco transmissions are prohibited. Clutchless manual transmission
    and clutch assisted manual transmissions are permitted on naturally
    aspirated combinations only. Electric shifters or air shifters are
    permitted.

    INDUCTION: Small Block combinations may run any type induction. Big
    Block combinations are limited to a dedicated single carburetor with
    cast intake.

    OILING SYSTEM: Dry sumps are permitted on all cars.

    EXHAUST: Mufflers or inserts are required on all cars except for turbo
    cars. Exhaust may exit underneath car or out the front fenders but must
    not affect timing or staging beams.

    FUEL: Gasoline only is permitted. Alcohol or E-85 or other derivatives
    is prohibited.

    STREET EQUIPMENT: Functional headlights, taillights and brake lights
    required. All headlights, brake lights, marker lights, etc must be on
    car and not removed for any reason.

    SUSPENSION: Stock style suspension cars only (See weights below for
    penalty for aftermarket suspension). Four links are prohibited on all
    cars. Aftermarket direct replacement components such as: front control
    arms, rear control arms, front coil over shocks, and rear coil over
    shocks are permitted. Aftermarket rack and pinion steering allowed. Rear
    leaf springs, springs, shocks, and coil-overs may be moved to
    accommodate tire clearance, and do not need to be mounted in stock
    location. Bolt-on or welded sub-frame connectors, rear sway bars, are
    permitted on all cars. Wheelie bars are prohibited on all cars. Torque
    arms are only permitted on cars that were originally equipped from
    factory with it.

    TIRES: All cars with power adder must compete on a Drag Radial type tire
    with the following sidewall designation 275/60/15. Naturally aspirated
    cars are permitted to run a 28.0” x 10.5” slick, no “W” tires
    permitted.

    Minimum base Weights: All minimum weights include the driver.

    Naturally Aspirated (small block) 2600 lbs
    Naturally Aspirated (big block with standard deck height and
    conventional head) 2900 lbs
    Naturally Aspirated (big block with tall deck height and conventional
    head) 2950 lbs
    Naturally Aspirated (big block with standard height and big chief head)
    3050 lbs

    Nitrous (small block) 2950 lbs
    Nitrous (big block with standard deck height and conventional head) 3250
    lbs
    Nitrous (big block with tall deck height and conventional head) 3400 lbs
    10.200 chevy
    Single YSI / F1A/6-71 Supercharger (small block) 3100 lbs
    Single F1C/8-71 Supercharger (small block) 3200 lbs
    Single F1R / Xi/10-71 Supercharger (small block) 3300 lbs

    Single 76mm T6 Turbocharger (small block) 3000 lbs.
    Single 80mm T6 Turbocharger (small block) 3100 lbs.
    Single 85mm T6 Turbocharger (small block) 3150 lbs.
    Single 88mm T6 Turbocharger (Y2K or GT47-88) (small block) 3200 lbs
    Single 88mm T6 Turbocharger (GT55-88, Pro Mod 88, ET-R 88 or =) (small
    block) 3300 lbs

    * Small Blocks with single stage nitrous system: deduct 50 lbs
    * Small Blocks (NOS only) with 23 degree Chevy heads, 20 degree Ford
    heads, and 18 degree Mopar heads: deduct 100 lbs.
    * Small Block (NOS only) non-inline valve head with more than 2 nitrous
    kits: add 100 lbs
    * Non-Intercooled boosted cars: deduct 50 lbs.
    * Aftermarket rear suspension (Ladder bar): add 50 lbs.
    * Buick/Olds/Pontiac Nitrous combos will be 3250 and not exceed 588 cu
    inches
    *V-6 Turbocharged/Supercharged/Nitrous combos will deduct 200 lbs from



    VP FUELS OUTLAW 275 VS 28-10.5


    TECH CARD 150.00 (32 CAR QUALIFIED FIELD)

    WINNER-5,000.00
    RUNNER-UP-2,000.00
    SEMI'S-500.00
    1/4'S-300.00
    1/8'S-200.00


    n/a SB 2400lbs
    n/a BB short deck conventional head 2800lbs
    n/a BB tall deck conventional head 2900lbs
    n/a BB short deck big chief 2900lbs
    n/a BB big chief 3000lbs
    28 X 10.5 nonW slick or 275 drag radial

    Nitrous Small Block: 2700 lbs
    Nitrous Big Block 3200 lbs add 150 lbs for Big Chief
    -75LBS FOR SINGLE CAST MANIFOLD BB

    Add 50 lbs on all nitrous combos w/non stock suspension, must have stock frame rail

    Big Chief combos max 3 kits

    supercharged (SB only)- 2900lbs base weight with F1C or Ysi
    add 100lbs for F1R/Xi or
    add 150lbs for Z trim or =
    add 200lbs for F2
    add 50lbs for non inline head
    deduct 50 lbs for non intercooled
    add 50lbs for non stock suspension; must have stock frame rail notch okay
    gear drive okay
    28 X 10.5 nonW slick or 275 drag radial


    single turbo (SB only)- 3100lbs base weight with 80 mm
    single turbo (sb only) 3200 lbs base weight for any (101 or bigger that is being reduced )
    add 100lbs for bigger than 80 mm
    add 150lbs for 88 mm
    add 200lbs for 94 mm
    add 100lbs for non inline head
    deduct 50lbs for non intercooled
    add 50lbs for non stock suspension, must have stock frame rail - notch okay
    no weight break for tip to tip single turbo entry
    28 X 10.5 nonW slick or 275 drag radial

    twin turbo's (SB only)- 3300lbs base weight max 67 mm
    -50 lbs for any tip to tip non reduced entry (twin turbo entry)
    add 50 lbs 70 mm
    add 150lbs 76 mm
    add 200 lbs 80 mm
    add 50 lbs for non-ss must have stock frame rail notch okay
    28 X 10.5 nonW slick or 275 drag radial
    Leaf springs - 100#
    No wheelie bars
    Mufflers required on non turbo charged entries
    Progressives okay
    7531 okay
    Lexan okay
    Fiberglass okay
    Alcohol -Ok
    Auto Trans or Factory clutch type manual (clutch assisted okay)
    REDUCERS -OK
    NO DUAL POWER ADDERS


    16 CAR FIELD
    2500.00 WIN
    1,000.00 R-UP
    300.00 SEMIS
    150.00 1/4'S

    32 CAR FIELD
    5,000.00 WIN
    1,000.00 R-UP
    300.00 SEMIS
    150.00 1/4'S

    Ultimate Street is a heads up class designed for any passenger vehicle from any major manufacturer. Modified Street cars are limited to a maximum small block cubic inch limit of 440 cubic inches. Power adders are limited to a single nitrous plate systems utilizing one nitrous solenoid and one fuel solenoid ONLY, Purge must be redundant in-line with nitrous supply line, with only one supply line. Superchargers(sizes listed below), and Turbos(sizes listed below). No alcohol or nitro methane allowed. NO DUAL POWER-ADDERS. THIS CLASS IS SMALL BLOCKS ONLY!!! REQUIREMENTS & SPECIFICATIONS

    Mufflers mandatory and must be functional. Turbo entries allowed to run without mufflers.

    Racing gasoline mandatory. The use of methanol, nitro-methane, or propylene oxide is prohibited.

    INDUCTION

    Carburetor, limited to one. Fuel injection and electronic fuel injection allowed on all entries.

    Must be cast manifold

    Progressive controllers are allowed for all setups.

    All entries are allowed to run a dual bar plate with a single nitrous, single fuel, and single purge solenoid.

    Purge must be redundant inline with nitrous supply line with only one supply line.

    SUPERCHARGER

    SUPERCHARGER MAX
    F1A-3200 #
    F1C - 3250 #
    YSI - 3250 #

    SUPERCHARGERS AND TURBO ENTRIES MUST BE STOCK VALVE ANGLE ENGINES ONLY. NO ENTRY MAY HAVE OPEN HOLE OR ANY DEVICE TO DIRECT AIR INTO TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER.
    BOOSTED CARS MAY NOT USE ALCOHOL OR ANY OXYGENATED FUELS.( Q-16 ETC...).. ALL SUPER CHARGERS AND TURBOS MUST BE ORIGINAL FROM FACTORY AND TRUE SIZE. NO REDUCERS OR BILLET WHEELS.

    TURBOCHARGER

    TURBO MAX
    T-76 3150 # NO REDUCERS
    T-80 3200 # NO REDUCERS

    SUPERCHARGERS AND TURBO ENTRIES MUST BE STOCK VALVE ANGLE ENGINES ONLY. NO ENTRY MAY HAVE OPEN HOLE OR ANY DEVICE TO DIRECT AIR INTO TURBO OR SUPERCHARGER.
    BOOSTED CARS MAY NOT USE ALCOHOL OR ANY OXYGENATED FUELS.( Q-16 ETC...).. ALL SUPER CHARGERS AND TURBOS MUST BE ORIGINAL FROM FACTORY AND TRUE SIZE. NO REDUCERS OR BILLET WHEELS
    WEIGHTS

    Base Weight 3200 pounds.
    15* heads and above 3200
    All 14.9* and under +50
    All canted valve heads +50
    Any 23* head combo-200
    Any 20* Ford combo-200
    Blue thunder heads +100
    Entries with leaf springs-100


    Stock rear frame-rails and suspension mandatory. Bolt-on traction aids permitted. Aftermarket ladder bars or four links prohibited. Aftermarket control arms, springs, and shocks permitted, but must utilize stock mounting points on frame rails. Relocation of coil over shocks permitted. Mini-tubs permitted.

    Stock front frame rails and suspension mandatory. Cutting or notching of frame rails prohibited. Aftermarket K-members, control arms, and bushings permitted as long as they bolt in the stock locations and utilize control arms when equipped. Aftermarket manual steering gear boxes or rack and pinion steering permitted. Aftermarket springs and struts permitted as long as they directly bolt into the stock locations. Aftermarket bolt-in sub-frame permitted. Must bolt-in unaltered OEM mounting locations. OEM suspension configuration mandatory. Bolt-in sub-frames must be from a manufacture with a designated part number and must be produced for the vehicle they were designed for from the manufacturer.

    WHEELIE BARS
    Prohibited.

    TIRES

    BODY
    Stock body lines must be retained. Fiberglass body components limited to hood, deck lid, and bumpers unless equipped from factory with plastic or fiberglass panels. Factory grill mandatory. Factory core support and inner-fender well liners mandatory but may be notched for header or roll cage.

    NO FORWARD FACING HOOD SCOOPS
 

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I wish alky was not an issue . I know around here it is all abought building cars cheaper ,make it where more people can run. Well alky is way cheaper to run then like C or Q 16 plus cooling system
 

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for all u dumb fucks....the bad mother fucker race was to prove the tire was the limiting factor with the only rule being the tire and everyone bitched out!!!!
 

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If the tire is the limiting factor in all of this why does it matter what fuel is run?
Because our style of racing is not that of ADRLs.. nor should ever become such!!

I applaud those who keep rules in place.. without them... well, you can see what happens..
 

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Got ya.. I was thinking nitromethane would be on peoples mind if fuel restrictions were lifted.. LOL :p
I agree. I just look at it as a cost saving measure for some. It is much cheaper for a drum of E85 than a drum of Q16.
There are fuel spec fuel tests for E85/E98 and it seems like none of the series or races want to deal with it.
 

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I agree. I just look at it as a cost saving measure for some. It is much cheaper for a drum of E85 than a drum of Q16.
There are fuel spec fuel tests for E85/E98 and it seems like none of the series or races want to deal with it.
I think rule makers already struggle with the variables we have now. Throwing more variables into the mix would only make it tougher IMO.. What happens when E85/E98 cars can't compete? Do they ask for a weight break? Or if they run away with the class do the rules get opened up for the others?
 

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If the tire is the limiting factor, why cant a BB nitrous run with a BB twin turbo??
 

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I think rule makers already struggle with the variables we have now. Throwing more variables into the mix would only make it tougher IMO.. What happens when E85/E98 cars can't compete? Do they ask for a weight break? Or if they run away with the class do the rules get opened up for the others?
I've beat this up many times over and without a viable way of testing E85/E98 - M5 and other allky based fuels we just don't allow it, lots of funny stuff going on with it these days.
 
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