ive been searching long time how to make 4" thru mufflers quiet. have found out big engines(500 plus cu in) are hard. more camshaft= hard. what is your goals?if your running mid nines, i wouldnt be scared of running 3" if you wanna keep it quiet(police). but u could step it up to 3.5 or 4" if u want. i ran 3" thru muffler on my junk running mid eights and did not choke it as much as i would of thought! good luck, what exactly are u looking for??? magnaflow is a very good muffler for the money, have heard over the years the flowmasters eat hp. dunno never had em...