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I would ask the same thing. How can track prep be brought into the conversation. Cars are breaking into the 3's out here on 10.5's (yes, steel roof and quarters).

No prep, Big Tire/No Time classes are gaining steam for the simple fact that it brings parity to the classes and you don't have to have a $500,000 operation to compete and possibly win $10,000. No question that there are significant differences between the East and West on this but the class, without radials is not dead out here, nor is it dying.


May I ask a question here...

In all reality, how different is the prep for a radial car vs a slick tire? If one would have to put a dollar figure on the $$ for everything involved in prepping a lane for each tire, which prep costs more?


If the slick prep is cheaper, why not just go back to that? Wouldn't it basically "force" those on radials to go back to the slick??



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Here are my opinions -

The class can go back to the slick (only) if the class can go mid 80's on them. Why? Because the class was stuck in a 4.00 rut since 2011 when Tim (4.02), Ulsch (4.05) and Casper (4.07) ran 4.0x at Shakedown. Does anyone want to see Outlaw 10.5 running 4.00's when LDR is running 4.0's now? Or X275 running 4.20's?

The class ET wise is in a perfect place where no other class is running the same ET's.

Changing the name? Can I ask how this would even help? Would it increase car count, spectator count? What exactly would it do?

Say the name changes to "Outlaw Greatest Awesomest Class Ever" and M/T or Hoosier release a new 10.5 tire? Do we bring the name back?

I think a name change is absolutely useless as it will do NOTHING for the class PERIOD!!

I see no issue with how the class is now. Yes it's on a radial but so what... If MT releases the new 10.5 that is also a radial construction.... Does that mean the 10.5 name would have to be changed? Does that mean we ban that tire also because it's radial construction?

There are just way too many classes nowadays and everything is watered down.. We will not get back to the year 2000 where 100 10.5 cars would show at Orlando..

Great post. I agree that the class is in a good spot ET wise. Personally, i dont really care what tire is on the back. I do think they look more badass with 10.5's and bars, but, the radial definitely pulled the class put of a rut IMHO.
 

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Have there even been full 16 car fields of real Outlaw 10 5 cars out West? I'm not talking about a big block 66 Chevelle for class filler but true Outlaw 10 5 cars?

I would ask the same thing. How can track prep be brought into the conversation. Cars are breaking into the 3's out here on 10.5's (yes, steel roof and quarters).

No prep, Big Tire/No Time classes are gaining steam for the simple fact that it brings parity to the classes and you don't have to have a $500,000 operation to compete and possibly win $10,000. No question that there are significant differences between the East and West on this but the class, without radials is not dead out here, nor is it dying.
 

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Great post. I agree that the class is in a good spot ET wise. Personally, i dont really care what tire is on the back. I do think they look more badass with 10.5's and bars, but, the radial definitely pulled the class put of a rut IMHO.
Thanks Joe!!

I put some data together to see what the problem is. All I tell is the radial helped the class more than hurt it IMHO...

YellowBullet Nationals
  • 2010 – 33 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2011 – 31 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2012 – 37 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2013 – 37 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2014 – 36 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2015 – 33 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2016 – 33 qualified (315 was deemed legal for YB and won (4 cars were on a radial))
  • 2017 – 32 qualified (two slick tire cars in the finals (5 cars were on radials))
  • 2018 - 23 qualified (14 cars wrecked or were not ready) (radial won against a slick in the finals)
  • 2019 - 29 qualified (two radial cars in finals)
 

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No, but it is steadily growing in the Pacific NW. Couple new cars each year it seems and several on the sidelines getting their programs going. It's really a different world than in the East. We are content with where it's going as a five race series and good comradery. That being said it is comprised of the fastest in the west on a 10.5 tire with I think at least 5 wins at SCSN coming from our area. I know better than to enter these conversations! Just jump in sometimes in a weak moment. :)

Have there even been full 16 car fields of real Outlaw 10 5 cars out West? I'm not talking about a big block 66 Chevelle for class filler but true Outlaw 10 5 cars?
 

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Let me respond to the "slick prep" questions. First, there is a difference, however most all races have both radial tire classes and slick tire classes running in them. Therefore it is not "more costly" to prep for the radial. With that said there is no one out here doing "full radial prep" either. It is a version of and the 10.5 slick can be faster with that prep as well. Just have to work at the 10.5 more so than you would with the radial. So, if the radial makes it easier why would you fight the 10.5? Most could benefit from changing over and running them. We are truly considering putting them on and removing the weight just to prove that very point.
 

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Let me respond to the "slick prep" questions. First, there is a difference, however most all races have both radial tire classes and slick tire classes running in them. Therefore it is not "more costly" to prep for the radial. With that said there is no one out here doing "full radial prep" either. It is a version of and the 10.5 slick can be faster with that prep as well. Just have to work at the 10.5 more so than you would with the radial. So, if the radial makes it easier why would you fight the 10.5? Most could benefit from changing over and running them. We are truly considering putting them on and removing the weight just to prove that very point.
PLEEAASSSEEEE DO IT!! Hell you may run even quicker!! ;)
 

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Name change and new look class I felt may have been a good idea to grow class while also attracting more teams. With the right formula new class quite possibly would have a national following where with races held on both coasts and everywhere in between. Currently class consists many of teams concentrated in Northeast. If all stake holders got together to come up with interesting plan would have been great. New Fresh ideas always fun. However It appears there is no interest in changing class name & no support for making class run on 10.5 only. Soooo nothing will change and business as usual which is not a terrible thing as the racing is awesome and very competitive among the various power adders. I'm a BIG fan of Outlaw 10.5 and only want the best.
 

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If you want to run slicks and be competitive with the 315 radial then drop to a 29.5W. Less tire growth eats less hp . Jmo
 

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Thanks Joe!!

I put some data together to see what the problem is. All I tell is the radial helped the class more than hurt it IMHO...

YellowBullet Nationals
  • 2010 – 33 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2011 – 31 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2012 – 37 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2013 – 37 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2014 – 36 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2015 – 33 qualified (10.5 only)
  • 2016 – 33 qualified (315 was deemed legal for YB and won (4 cars were on a radial))
  • 2017 – 32 qualified (two slick tire cars in the finals (5 cars were on radials))
  • 2018 - 23 qualified (14 cars wrecked or were not ready) (radial won against a slick in the finals)
  • 2019 - 29 qualified (two radial cars in finals)
Can you add fastest et/mph to that? I'd like to see the year by year progression.
 
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