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Futuristic Concepts are always interesting to Jaw over...I think the Auto OEM's are jumping into the EV pool without resisting because of Profits.. Just as the Insurance Companies didn't complain about the Obama Care mandates,as the Government was mandating everyone purchase Health insurance and as such their Profits would be substantial . Similar scenario with the EV cars. I believe the EV cars are much cheaper to produce without hundreds of hard parts that are needed in an ICE vehicle..and the cost of the EV car will be more than what we are paying now, therefore profits will be higher than ever! and the OEM's aren't the Bad Guys, the Feds are. Not commenting on the merits of the cars, only the Business implications of when Government imposes its might on its Citizens... I think the Profits will be enormous ...The less resistance the higher the Profits... Funny how Big Business and Big Government are using each other to get what they want at our expense....
If they truly are cheaper to build (and I also think they are) that will catch up with them eventually. Right now the cost is all R&D. They wont sell many $80,000 suv's when some foreign start up sells the same thing for $30,000.
 

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Hey guys what if bulkheads, deck lids cowls roof panels etc can serve as batteries?

I mean there are smart ways to do things maybe. Things that aren’t vulnerable to easy damage. Panels that are replaceable.

See this all brings me back to one of my first points that I like about EV’s. That is that these future vehicles will usher in tons of innovation. By their nature alone EV’s are making platform engineers salivate at the opportunities to be creative.

The most obvious first benefit is the “Frunk”.

Giggle if you wish but I could use an easy to load frunk in a vehicle I own like the F150 Lightning has.

Nothing is set in stone with these EV’s. I don’t understand the pushback. There’s some very cool things in the pipeline.
 

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Hey guys what if bulkheads, deck lids cowls roof panels etc can serve as batteries?

I mean there are smart ways to do things maybe. Things that aren’t vulnerable to easy damage. Panels that are replaceable.

See this all brings me back to one of my first points that I like about EV’s. That is that these future vehicles will usher in tons of innovation. By their nature alone EV’s are making platform engineers salivate at the opportunities to be creative.

The most obvious first benefit is the “Frunk”.

Giggle if you wish but I could use an easy to load frunk in a vehicle I own like the F150 Lightning has.

Nothing is set in stone with these EV’s. I don’t understand the pushback. There’s some very cool things in the pipeline.
Panels are the are are inherently lightweight, and turning them into heavy, battery panels is pontless for several reasons, however, after reading your last paragraph, it seems there’s no point debating with you about this as your mind is made up…and you’re beyond help : )
 

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Panels are the are are inherently lightweight, and turning them into heavy, battery panels is pontless for several reasons, however, after reading your last paragraph, it seems there’s no point debating with you about this as your mind is made up…and you’re beyond help : )
Bruise, there is no need to be negative. We’re just talking here. It don’t mean a hill of beans if my mind is made up. That and 35 cents will get me a cup of coffee.

It actually feels more like YOUR mind is made up. You’re essentially betting against human progress and that doesn’t usually go well.

But seriously I don’t get your point. Bulkheads, cowls, deck lids etc are not really that light. Remember we’re trying to offset the weight penalty of the battery pack. Having a structure or panel that can do double duty is theoretically and obviously a huge step forward in efficiency.

It’s about the WHOLE package friend.
 

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Bruise, there is no need to be negative. We’re just talking here. It don’t mean a hill of beans if my mind is made up. That and 35 cents will get me a cup of coffee.

It actually feels more like YOUR mind is made up. You’re essentially betting against human progress and that doesn’t usually go well.

But seriously I don’t get your point. Bulkheads, cowls, deck lids etc are not really that light. Remember we’re trying to offset the weight penalty of the battery pack. Having a structure or panel that can do double duty is theoretically and obviously a huge step forward in efficiency.

It’s about the WHOLE package friend.
So, your second reply to me and you start with the insults? Great debate skills, but from here on would be a waste of my time it seems. Good luck with your dreams of the future.
 

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So, your second reply to me and you start with the insults? Great debate skills, but from here on would be a waste of my time it seems. Good luck with your dreams of the future.
If I give you a name it means I dig you. It’s a tradition just ask Bedtime.

Is that what you’re sore about?
 

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I love people who think outside the box but battery technology itself will advance long before this totally impractical idea will ever come to pass. Look at what's been accomplished just over the last 10 years - there's now an EV (Lucid) on the market with a range of 500 miles that's been verified independently and in another 10 years range fear will likely be history. What the EV industry needs to work on more than anything is infrastructure.
 

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An absolutely horrible idea to do this in passenger cars. Holy fuck it is a disaster waiting to happen. Cars made today have almost no thought given to service or repair them. Add batteries to the structure of the car....and engineers will put them in places that will unnecessarily complicate service/repairs. Cars in accidents wil be totalled out due to cost of repairs....then what will be done with the batteries? Will there be a way to recycle or reuse them? No thanks
That is THE idea. Replace rather than repair, perfect for a consumer society we are nowadays.
 

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That is THE idea. Replace rather than repair, perfect for a consumer society we are nowadays.
Well now you’re actually touching on the heart of the matter for me.

In the past I’ve had some pretty nice cars all of the ones used as daily drivers seemed to meet their demise at the hands of other drivers or less catastrophicly been damaged by uncaring people with shopping carts and car doors.

I’ve seen some beautiful cars with flawless panels and paint only to walk around and find a giant parking lot bruise on the other side. Just heartbreaking.

Anyhow to maintain my sanity I’ve decided that the daily “grinder” vehicle is probably going to be the sacrificial lamb so I choose to not spend a fortune on something super nice and I won’t have to go to jail for strangulating a dude for saying, “ what’s the big deal it’s only a truck” again after leaning into my bedside with his car door.

So EV’s for me satisfy the “transportation appliance“ role. The lack of a big thumping V8 is a drag but I don’t want to fall in love with my DD beyond sitting behind the wheel and to be whisked away in trouble free comfort.

The weekend is when the cool old ICE cars come out and I take my trips down memory lane.
 

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If I give you a name it means I dig you. It’s a tradition just ask Bedtime.

Is that what you’re sore about?
Well okay I guess, my mistake. Not sore though, just seems pointless to debate something if there can’t be mutual respect, which apparently there isn’t, lol
My whole point is that making a panel into a better is counter-productive, as it will certainly weigh more, so the entire premise is flawed. Further, it will raise the center of gravity, add weight and complexity with more wiring, and be extremely vulnerable to the elements. I’m speaking from experience here, and I’m not sure what you do for a living, or what you’re basing your thoughts on, but I’d love to hear actual reasoning.
 

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If you want to drive a new car in the future it will likely be just like a cell phone. Pay a service, and for the rental of the manufactures car for a period of time and then turn it in for a new one. They will be complete scraped and never sold again as used.
 

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I will guess insurance rates will be the death of the electric car this time around. All the fires and stuff...
 

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I wonder how many na sayers here have cordless drills at home?
And not some pre-lithium, brushed motor pos.
 
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