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Jim M, trust me, I've been accused of everything under the sun including the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey... I can take the heat. You've been rather down on the NSCA here, and it's surprising, that's all- I really don't give a rip if most are taking pot shots, I expect no less from them. Some simply race the internet, and show up at local test and tunes, then act like they're racing geniuses... You've been out with us, for entire seasons. Rules, sponsorship maintenance, etc, it's harder than you can imagine 'till you get the chance the fuck it up yourself. You have my respect as a racer and as an acquaintance, and because of that, your anti-NSCA sentiment surprises me.

I screw up for the whole world to see. Internet jockeys have the luxury of sitting in their jammies and looking brilliant with no risk. NPS/SM didn't work, but I still think the essence of the combo platter could work. I was dead wrong about the racer's desire to make changes, though. I thought that even with some grumbling, it would work. I was wrong.

As far as blaming stuff on the racers, sometimes it IS their fault- any time a racer goes .5 faser than anyone in the class, he'll get his wings clipped. When class attendance drops, we are put in a corner, and the results aren't always the easiest to deal with. Like anything, it takes two. Both sides have dropped the ball, I'll take the credit for the NSCA's f'up's.
 

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Pat, I hope you understand that what is coming across as a negative attitide is not meant to be a personal attach against you or Tony. I really believe that you guys are trying hard. I don't know if you can fix the NSCA but I wish you luck. The NSCA must make decisions that are the best for the NSCA. The racers must make decisions that are in their best interest. The fans will go where they get the most enetertainment value for their dollar.

I'll use an automotive term here (hey, it's a Detroit thing!). I do not think that the NSCA puts on a "Best in Class" show (my opinion). The racers do not get best in class payouts or media exposure. The classes and rules structure is not best in class.

Compare the NSCA to it's competitors (Pro, Local Outlaw Events, NMRA, OSCA, Orlando). Be honest. Why would fans come out? Why would racers travel to race? Why are racers and fans going elsewhere?
 

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Our contingency is among the best, (FFW has an amazing array, but their larger sponsors $$ allow them to offer free contingency- that's why ProCar posts there- God bless 'em) when you sort out the parts people actually use- (Tremec trans in SSO??? etc.) we do well compared to the California boys. Our semi to second round pay is stronger than the multi marque competition, that is where we choose to spend. We need to do better on the media coverage, but that is improving. We have, on average, some of the more recognizble names and often the fastest cars- but that's shooting from the hip, no facts in front of me. I guess the next year will prove our worth, eh?
 

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Patrick, I'm a little confused about your statement when you state "As far as blaming stuff on the racers, sometimes it IS their fault- any time a racer goes .5 faster than anyone in the class, he'll get his wings clipped"

Why is that the racers fault for leaving the barn door open for the rules?

My humble opinion
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Monty's #1 fan said:
No one that wants to stay will be shoved out- it's like the bitching about SM- they say they were 'dismissed', they weren't, they were given the chance to get paid better and lose 200# and move'up' to a class that had a much more stable sponsorship situation.

Can you explain exaxtly what you meant by "and move'up' to a class that had a much more stable sponsorship situation."??? I'm not being negative, I just don't understand the comment you posted.
 

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Here's my situation. This is all about me right? I can race at Milan this Friday for $50. The place will be PACKED! I can win $1000. I can race at Milan on the 24th. It will cost me $150 to enter and I can win $5000. Cash money. No checks. No coupons. No nonsense. Cold hard cash.

Both events are one day events (no Hotel). Friday it costs $10 per crew guy and my wife and kids get in free! The Sept. 24th race is $20 per crew guy I think?

If I go to the NSCA Stanton event, I need to pay $150+45*2 to get me and two guys in. I have to pay for a hotel. I am away from home for two days. I can win what, 1,500+contincency+coupons+hope and a prayer?

I get to race Millen, Blevins, Golobo, Glidden (ok Kenny Perry), at Milan. I heard some of those Canadian loosers might come over this month too. The atmosphere at this race is amazing! The show is non-stop. We work like doggs turning the car around between rounds. It's a better show for less money and the car and spectator count confirm it. I hope the new and improved NSCA can learn from events like this one. Best of luck. Much love. Peace in the Middle East. May the fleas from a thousand camels rest in your turbin. :smt008 :-gay
 

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Sue Curran said:
As of a few hrs ago, they were just shy of 200 heads up cars in Maple Grove

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Jim Monson said:
Rules "announcements" or final rules and schedule? I'll bet we get some kind of statement before Stanton but nothing concrete. Sorry Camp. I just don't care any more.
Jim
We been friends awhile now and I understand that mistakes were made but the continuous nasty-ass comments get to me sometimes!
The 5000 fans at Milan that became 15000, the where can i sign up to race at the NMCA, the 200 heads up cars at MG that were only 100+ and the bracket cars, count the qualifying lists. I was there...
Makes me no never mind where half of these dipsticks who never even are going to front a car race.
Just that if you dont have something constructive to offer or a legitimate gripe then shut the phuck up! This comment is not geared to you, the idiots know who they are!
Lets just see if the NSCA comes through...
My money is on Tony!

Camp, you don't want to be calling Mrs Squarepants a dipstick now! how it should have read was just shy of200 (actually 191 total) cars to race in the PRO race, yes that includes Open Comp, NMC, True Street and the other regular programs PRO puts on, the bracket deal for Sunday was not included in those numbers, Pro Street had 17 cars that filled out tech cards but with only 1 run it showed 15 that made it down the track. that is pretty good turn out if you look at all the other org's Pro Street/Pro 5.0 classes. Not busting ball here, but I did tell Mrs Squarepants those numbers, must not have got the heads up part right. you know that whole husband/wife communication thing.. someone said you came over but i was not around. See you in Stanton
 

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Mr.Budd,I've never met you,I'm crew member on a pro street team in PRO,I work nights and weekends on a racecar and your statement about " clipping wings" is exactly the reason why most pro street guys won't come race with your org. Having been around racecars most of my life I don't know why you cater your rules to two racers?When Steve King told me that you said," You can come race with us,but if you go fast,were gonna take weight off Marc" I said no way he said that.But I see it's true!!! What about when Mike Castilano went almost 3 tenths quicker than John Stanley in La.,No weight break for him! I have not had the pleasure of being introduced to Camp and John Stanley,but there alot more tolorant than my driver and I would be! Take a step back and look,It isn't only the racers that see all of this,It's the fans too!!!! :)
 

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man you heads up street car cats crack me up!! ya ever wonder why so many people index race , bracket race,or run s/c ,sg,s/street as opposed to heads up racing? parity thats why.look at nhra and ihra sportsman racing.i/e comp eliminator go to fast cic gets ya. stock or super stock go to fast they change horsepoweror they lower your index.this whole idea of any heads up class with any restriction or rules is a joke.so no matter how much crap you talk about how bad you are there is always a good chance that someone out there is spent more or tweaked the rules that is gonna put you in your place.i presonally think you guys are nuts all the money you spend on your supposed street cars to win little to no moneyi say screw all these classes and run heads up indexes with a tenth cushion.thats just my 2 cents but who am i.i used to love the whole street car racing deal. i was at memphis in 95.its the greatest racing i had seen in my life.but just like everthing most everthing the all mighty dollar. and polotics have ruined it.
 

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man you heads up street car cats crack me up!! ya ever wonder why so many people index race , bracket race,or run s/c ,sg,s/street as opposed to heads up racing? parity thats why.look at nhra and ihra sportsman racing.i/e comp eliminator go to fast cic gets ya. stock or super stock go to fast they change horsepoweror they lower your index.this whole idea of any heads up class with any restriction or rules is a joke.so no matter how much crap you talk about how bad you are there is always a good chance that someone out there is spent more or tweaked the rules that is gonna put you in your place.i presonally think you guys are nuts all the money you spend on your supposed street cars to win little to no moneyi say screw all these classes and run heads up indexes with a tenth cushion.thats just my 2 cents but who am i.i used to love the whole street car racing deal. i was at memphis in 95.its the greatest racing i had seen in my life.but just like everthing most everthing the all mighty dollar. and polotics have ruined it.
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64HEMI330SEDAN said:
man you heads up street car cats crack me up!! ya ever wonder why so many people index race , bracket race,or run s/c ,sg,s/street as opposed to heads up racing? parity thats why.look at nhra and ihra sportsman racing.i/e comp eliminator go to fast cic gets ya. stock or super stock go to fast they change horsepoweror they lower your index.this whole idea of any heads up class with any restriction or rules is a joke.so no matter how much crap you talk about how bad you are there is always a good chance that someone out there is spent more or tweaked the rules that is gonna put you in your place.i presonally think you guys are nuts all the money you spend on your supposed street cars to win little to no moneyi say screw all these classes and run heads up indexes with a tenth cushion.thats just my 2 cents but who am i.i used to love the whole street car racing deal. i was at memphis in 95.its the greatest racing i had seen in my life.but just like everthing most everthing the all mighty dollar. and polotics have ruined it.
Come to Milan next Friday. Heads Up Racing is alive and well. :WGAF
 

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Camp, you don't want to be calling Mrs Squarepants a dipstick now! how it should have read was just shy of200 (actually 191 total) cars to race in the PRO race, yes that includes Open Comp, NMC, True Street and the other regular programs PRO puts on, the bracket deal for Sunday was not included in those numbers, Pro Street had 17 cars that filled out tech cards but with only 1 run it showed 15 that made it down the track. that is pretty good turn out if you look at all the other org's Pro Street/Pro 5.0 classes. Not busting ball here, but I did tell Mrs Squarepants those numbers, must not have got the heads up part right. you know that whole husband/wife communication thing.. someone said you came over but i was not around. See you in Stanton
Bob

I told myself that I was done with this thread, but i just can't "give up" now!

The first thing I would ask you is who in his right mind would call ANY woman a dipstick, especially one he doesn't know? "The wrath of God" comes to mind here. My numbers came from Scott' s qualifying sheets that were posted for the whole world to see. Pro Street actually had 17 cars down the race track, one who left before the tree was activated and one who did not make it all the way down. Its no never mind to me how many cars PRO did or did not have, it was the general "everything is better elsewhere" comments that even caused me to do something I try to never do, get involoved in a BB war of words. To Mr Mikho' s credit he was 110% rational and sane in our lil back and forth.

Tell the infamous Mrs Squarepants, no offense meant, none taken.The dipstick comment was below the 200 car comment. Yes I did come by to say hello but of course you were out somehere "stylin'"!

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Jim M, trust me, I've been accused of everything under the sun including the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey... I can take the heat. You've been rather down on the NSCA here, and it's surprising, that's all- I really don't give a rip if most are taking pot shots, I expect no less from them. Some simply race the internet, and show up at local test and tunes, then act like they're racing geniuses... You've been out with us, for entire seasons. Rules, sponsorship maintenance, etc, it's harder than you can imagine 'till you get the chance the fuck it up yourself. You have my respect as a racer and as an acquaintance, and because of that, your anti-NSCA sentiment surprises me.

I screw up for the whole world to see. Internet jockeys have the luxury of sitting in their jammies and looking brilliant with no risk. NPS/SM didn't work, but I still think the essence of the combo platter could work. I was dead wrong about the racer's desire to make changes, though. I thought that even with some grumbling, it would work. I was wrong.

As far as blaming stuff on the racers, sometimes it IS their fault- any time a racer goes .5 faser than anyone in the class, he'll get his wings clipped. When class attendance drops, we are put in a corner, and the results aren't always the easiest to deal with. Like anything, it takes two. Both sides have dropped the ball, I'll take the credit for the NSCA's f'up's.
Patrick I will give ya props for having the balls to say you have made mistakes. Others within the orginization could only dream to have the same balls!! I have seen statements from others taking a shot at the racers!! Guess what the racers are the employees in a way and the spectators are the customers.. Well the customers aint coming and the employees are getting pissed for being the guys who take the blame most the time.. When things are going great the NSCA gets a huge pat on the back!! They take it all in.. But when the series does bad people point fingers at us.. Hmmm

Now lets talk about getting wings clipped. Your car is ahead of the pack right now. Will your combo be subject to change? How about BES being 3-4/10's ahead of the pack in S/S for a couple of years. Were they subject to change? If so why didnt it happen? Rather you stepped up the other guys in hopes they would catch up. Well they didn't.. Now Powski gets hit hard for putting up a stout number one time!! Again we as racers or internet keyboard racers are just sitting to see what happens. If stability, spectator count and classes we race in stick around for more than a year without major changes, even some of us internet racers who never really contributed anything to the NSCA may build a car to the NSCA rules.. once again.. But till then I will shop at the local stores who carry a product that will not be outdated in a years time..
 

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man you heads up street car cats crack me up!! ya ever wonder why so many people index race , bracket race,or run s/c ,sg,s/street as opposed to heads up racing? parity thats why.look at nhra and ihra sportsman racing.i/e comp eliminator go to fast cic gets ya. stock or super stock go to fast they change horsepoweror they lower your index.this whole idea of any heads up class with any restriction or rules is a joke.so no matter how much crap you talk about how bad you are there is always a good chance that someone out there is spent more or tweaked the rules that is gonna put you in your place.i presonally think you guys are nuts all the money you spend on your supposed street cars to win little to no moneyi say screw all these classes and run heads up indexes with a tenth cushion.thats just my 2 cents but who am i.i used to love the whole street car racing deal. i was at memphis in 95.its the greatest racing i had seen in my life.but just like everthing most everthing the all mighty dollar. and polotics have ruined it.
Super Stock is boring to us heads up guys. Peterson Publishing agreed with this statement 100% and the NSCA was started.. Them are the facts. Why race with the NSCA super stock class? There is a lot more money out there in other places since that seems to be why you race!!
 

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Mr.Budd,I've never met you,I'm crew member on a pro street team in PRO,I work nights and weekends on a racecar and your statement about " clipping wings" is exactly the reason why most pro street guys won't come race with your org. Having been around racecars most of my life I don't know why you cater your rules to two racers?When Steve King told me that you said," You can come race with us,but if you go fast,were gonna take weight off Marc" I said no way he said that.But I see it's true!!! What about when Mike Castilano went almost 3 tenths quicker than John Stanley in La.,No weight break for him! I have not had the pleasure of being introduced to Camp and John Stanley,but there alot more tolorant than my driver and I would be! Take a step back and look,It isn't only the racers that see all of this,It's the fans too!!!! :)
Mr RFC

Must work on a lil turbo pickup, huh?

I just had this very conversation with Mr Budd today. He said he did not mention Mr Dantoni specifically in his conversation with Steve. Do I agree or disagree with Pat's rules philosophy? Not in all of them for sure! But as Jim Monson said some time back "How about no rule book at all? " We all know that wont work.

As for the "almost 3/10ths" in LA. It most definitely may have been that in qualifying, because we couldn't hit our ass with both hands on Sat! Must have been the five months off. But Sunday was a completely different story. First round we went a .56 and Shannon Jenkins went a .49 I believe. We ran Shannon in the semis and he went a .48 and we were door handle to door handle with him at the 1/8th mile when we broke a blower belt! No need to be jumping on the organization when we cant do our job.

If you are be in The Big "O" in October, please come by and say hello.

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OK I think I vented enough!! So do we all pull together and work on this deal or just give up? Budd's post is a perfect example of what I would think Tony should have posted. Kinda like this.. Someone works on your car. They charge you $1000 on repairs.. The car breaks 10 miles from the shop.. What do you want the mechanic to tell you?

A: Its your fault the car broke. You shouldn't have made a left turn at the light and should have went straight!!!

or

B: Wow I screwed up. I tried something new that I really thought would work! I promise I will make this right for you!!


^^ you decide how the business will be handled. But there is a lot to say about a business man taking the blame rather than point the blame elsewhere..
 
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