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NHTSA estimates 99.5% of new vehicles have EDRs. The new rules would take effect no earlier than September 2023.

U.S. wants automakers to collect more 'black box' crash data

U.S. auto regulators said Wednesday they want to require automakers to collect more crash data from event data recorders (EDRs)- more commonly known as "black boxes."

www.reuters.com

 

[79540]

What ever the car will do..it does

 

[Roundup]

What ever the car will do..it does

I think the EDR records 20 sec of pre-impact data.......to share.

 

[fourhour]

I think the EDR records 20 sec of pre-impact data.......to share.

Does the recorder know an accident is about to happen and starts recording 20 seconds prior?

 

[Maindrian Pace]

I think the EDR records 20 sec of pre-impact data.......to share.

it used to be 5 seconds before a crash

 

[70Underpressure]

Not a good thing...a young guy I know is being prosecuted based on it after someone blew a stop sign and got T-boned. The guy died. The kid was speeding but even if he wasn’t there was no way to avoid someone pulling out in front of you on a main highway. They impounded his brand new truck 6 months ago. Holding for evidence, won’t release it and he is still making $800 payments.

 

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Does the recorder know an accident is about to happen and starts recording 20 seconds prior?

It’s a non-stop continuous 20 second recording stoped by impact saving the prior 20sec of data.

 

[79540]

I think the EDR records 20 sec of pre-impact data.......to share.

Matted gas pedal..indicator

 

[Topfun99]

Not a good thing...a young guy I know is being prosecuted based on it after someone blew a stop sign and got T-boned. The guy died. The kid was speeding but even if he wasn’t there was no way to avoid someone pulling out in front of you on a main highway. They impounded his brand new truck 6 months ago. Holding for evidence, won’t release it and he is still making $800 payments.

Speeding can be considered a factor. If the other person stopped and looked both ways, their judgement to cross is factored in by their anticipated speed of traffic on the road they're going to cross. Not all drivers take the time to study the traffic long enough to recognize a vehicle approaching at a high rate. Factor in trying to cross with multiple vehicles coming from both directions and/or trying to cross a 4 lane road and it's becomes a bigger factor. 5-10mph above will usually not be a enough to to affect the outcome but 20mph can change the whole scenario.

Even if indeed the other driver "blew a stop sign" and never stopped, the speed of the driver with the right of way adds to the severity of the damage and injuries.

Consider this. The person going thru the stop sign makes a innocent mistake either by judgement or simple misses seeing the stop sign. As careful as anyone is this can happen, that's why the term "accident" is applied. Speed limit on the road they're crossing is 40mph. The driver with the right of way is going 70mph. The driver going 70mph is doing so consciously, not accidently. The chances of someone being killed is dramatically higher because that driver was speeding. It's not always logical to absolve the speeding driver from any responsibility on the outcome.

 

[Imlow78]

When will the hack be out to disable it?

Shannon

 

[LarryB122]

Bullshit. I've never had one in my truck and there ain't nobody putting one in my truck, either.


Not everybody needs to buy a new car every year to try and look a certain way aka keeping up with the Jones'

 

[brmustang]

When will the hack be out to disable it?

Shannon

The law when I was reading it before 2015 I thought said It will be illegal to tamper with.

 

[brmustang]

Bullshit. I've never had one in my truck and there ain't nobody putting one in my truck, either.


Not everybody needs to buy a new car every year to try and look a certain way aka keeping up with the Jones'

Gm has put it in some cars since the early 90’s. When I was in high school I remember a story of a guy going to prison because his car recorded before a deadly accident.

 

[Gdogg]

You guy wouldn't believe how many legal cases involving vehicle there are. I use to work for a company and we handled the vehicles that were involved in the legal case. I could tell you some of the best stories, I could probably wear out a key board with some of the stuff I've been involved with.
Those EDR's are some Attorneys worst friend and the best friend to a vehicle manufacture, I've never worked on a case with a vehicle that actually had one but IIRC GM started recording data in the 90's.
Back in the old days all you had to do to figure out vehicle speed at impact was measure how deep the front end was pushed in, then do some math and you'd have the speed, yep that's how it was done and probably is still done.

 

[Toocoolz28]

From what I see they are no longer considered "accidents" because they can all be prevented. Now they are just crashes.

 

[70Underpressure]

Speeding can be considered a factor. If the other person stopped and looked both ways, their judgement to cross is factored in by their anticipated speed of traffic on the road they're going to cross. Not all drivers take the time to study the traffic long enough to recognize a vehicle approaching at a high rate. Factor in trying to cross with multiple vehicles coming from both directions and/or trying to cross a 4 lane road and it's becomes a bigger factor. 5-10mph above will usually not be a enough to to affect the outcome but 20mph can change the whole scenario.

Even if indeed the other driver "blew a stop sign" and never stopped, the speed of the driver with the right of way adds to the severity of the damage and injuries.

Consider this. The person going thru the stop sign makes a innocent mistake either by judgement or simple misses seeing the stop sign. As careful as anyone is this can happen, that's why the term "accident" is applied. Speed limit on the road they're crossing is 40mph. The driver with the right of way is going 70mph. The driver going 70mph is doing so consciously, not accidently. The chances of someone being killed is dramatically higher because that driver was speeding. It's not always logical to absolve the speeding driver from any responsibility on the outcome.

According to the people involved it looked intentional like the guy committed suicide. The speed limit was 55 on a road that is notorious for accidents and speeding.

 

[edcmat-l1]

Anything with a body control module has this capability

Correct answer would be SRS module.

 

[Roundup]

Correct answer would be SRS module.

What is SRS?

Never mind. Google had it.

 

[MOPARDUDETN]

My New Frontier states this on start up. I disabled what I could but you cannot turn it all the way off.

 

[Turbo Tim]

Thought this happened when airbags were installed.