Carb and vacuum readings.

Basin_runner408 said:

Hooked up a vacuum gauge and at wide open and it’s pulling 7 inches at 5500 rpms.

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7 inches is a lot a WOT. You want closer to 1.5". That thing must whistle at WOT.

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That was a good read.

Based on you ci, RPM, HP, and carb size 7 inches sound way to high for what you should be seeing

Do you have a dyno sheet you can post?

Single or Dual Plane intake manifold?

Stan

That calculator says 770

I’m pulling my reading from the intake because the Holley ultra xp does not have ports on the base plate

Next thing I’ve been considering is going with a annular booster style vs a down leg

That’s gonna close the power valves up at wot.

You want or have 550 hp.....1.4 x 550 = 770 cfm.....seeing you are pulling 7"....I would step up to 850 and you might make 850/1.4 = 607hp, WAG, lol.

Basin_runner408 said:

Next thing I’ve been considering is going with a annular booster style vs a down leg

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Annular will mostly help down low, down leg flows more as it's smaller.

Basin_runner408 said:

Next thing I’ve been considering is going with a annular booster style vs a down leg

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annular is a big flow killer, Your carb is way too small, 7" shit that should tell you. annular is not going to help that , you should be looking at a min of 1.500 veturi if not bigger.

Something doesn't sound right? 408 inches, 5500 rpm, 650 cfm carb and 7" manifold vacuum? Your vacuum gauge might be off, but not by that much! Try seeing if you can find another place to take your vacuum reading. Maybe put an open spacer under the carb with a vacuum port in it? I am not saying the carb shouldn't be a little bigger, I just don't want you to use that vacuum number in selecting another carb.

So I pulled the boat out. And tired it again I was getting the 7 inches of vacumm at 5000 when I hold it wide open for 10 seconds it dropped to 1. I couldn’t hold it wide open before because it was to lean I thought 5000 was close enough to wide open but I guess not.

So the 7" is not wide open under load........?

Basin_runner408 said:

This is where I’m pulling. My vacuum from

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In my opinion, that's not a very good spot to get a vacuum reading for tunning.

BBF612 said:

So the 7" is not wide open under load........?

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I wouldn't think, I could buy 3" possibly but not 7" (and I doubt 1" flat is accurate either with a 650).
I dug up some old dyno data (Proper OEM level equipment) from my462" Pontiac:

5600 rpm: 750 carb: 528 HP / 2.2" hg man vac (533 power peak @ 6000 w/ 2.6" hg man vac)
5600 rpm: 850 carb: 535 HP / 1.8" hg man vac (unfortunately no data above 5600)

So, bigger cubes, likely not as good a cyl head, but similar airflow based on power.

No when I had put the 7 number it was close to wide open but not fully because I did it want to hold it wide open because my afr was shooting to the 16’s. I finally got that all straight. And. Was able to hold it wide open. Today. Afr in the high 12’s and vacumm was around 1. So the 650 may be feeding it enough after all? 99.9 % of ppl with carbs run 750’s on any thing bigger than a 350. But just because that’s how it’s been don’t make it right. My lil boat with with the 650 quick fuel was running along side of some 632 ci motors. So it’s not a dud by any means but if you on this forum you know or think there is always room for improvement.

Carburetors are rated at 1.5"Hg pressure drop. From what you wrote I can't tell if your prop is limiting you to 5000 rpm or 5500 rpm but either way your measured 1.0"Hg manifold pressure is very close to what a 650 cfm carb flows. Depending on what your goal is, drive-ability or bragging rights, a boat can be held at full throttle for a "Long" time so air/fuel distribution is very important. Make sure you know which is your leanest hole before it tells you which one is.

I think your big improvement might come from bumping the timing up a little. Airboats usually run on pump gas so I am assuming you have relatively low compression. (Full throttle, 5000 rpm, 30 minutes) You could bump it up to 30 or more but it's VERY important to remember I am not the one paying for it when it comes apart. Add timing slowly for your application and be cautious about accepting opinions.