[G-String]

I have 2 OPTIONS as for Injection?
Enderle Bird Injector
Rons 4.0 Dual Toilets
Dart T/Ram

496 Chevy
14.5.1
765 Roller
CNC Dart 355 Cylinder Heads,Jesels
Moroso Vac.Pump
MSD Trigger
Coan Glide 1.80
5800 Converter 8"
2500 LB 67 Camaro B/Half 4-Link 9"Ford.4.71 Gear
14/32 Hoosiers.

Heres my Question?
Which Set-Up will Make MORE HP?
This should be Good!
I Took Off a 1150 Alcohol Quick Fuel Carb.
Looking for 25-40 HP above what the Motor made w/the Carb?
PLEASE Let the STUFF Fly..............?
THANKS!
G

 

[Looey]

Enderle bird catcher.

 

[G-String]

MAYBE I should have ASKED?
How Much Difference?
WHY,any PROOF/....................?
THANKS!
G

 

[Uncle Paul]

If either one it tuned correctly you should be able to pick up Hp strickly on the fact that you will be able to flow more air and fuel.

 

[358T]

Both will pick up power/performance when bolted on top of the tunnel ram compared to the single alky carb. You won't see any difference between the twin toilets or the Enderle Bird if tuned properly. They are just different ways of letting the air in.

Unless the tunnel ram is sized correctly for your application a single 2100cfm KillerRon's Terminator on a good single plane manifold would perform just a well. The tunnel ram is also probably significantly heavier than a single plane manifold so hp gains may not show up on the racetrack.

 

[G-String]

This will be on Methonol to Start out,then switched over to E-85.I'm looking for 30-40 HP,which like you said with the more Air and Fuel should be attainable?
THANKS!
G

 

[G-String]

Both will pick up power/performance when bolted on top of the tunnel ram compared to the single alky carb. You won't see any difference between the twin toilets or the Enderle Bird if tuned properly. They are just different ways of letting the air in.

Unless the tunnel ram is sized correctly for your application a single 2100cfm KillerRon's Terminator on a good single plane manifold would perform just a well. The tunnel ram is also probably significantly heavier than a single plane manifold so hp gains may not show up on the racetrack.

I ALSO have 1 of those avalible.
THANKS!
G

 

[Fisher-Racing]

Dude, not trying to start anything, but if you pick up 40 hp over a carb then you had the wrong carb or it was way the hell off on the tune,, but i will say when i ran toilets and birdcatchers twin toilets on a tunnel ram was more consistant most of the time over a single,, but thats just my .02
as far as hp difference between the birdcatcher and the toilets,,, if they are set up right you will not see any difference if you do it will be minimal,, word of advice, make friends with Uncle Paul he is sharp as hell on mechanical inj. setups and will not steer you wrong,,,

 

[69chicken]

Dude, not trying to start anything, but if you pick up 40 hp over a carb then you had the wrong carb or it was way the hell off on the tune,, but i will say when i ran toilets and birdcatchers twin toilets on a tunnel ram was more consistant most of the time over a single,, but thats just my .02
as far as hp difference between the birdcatcher and the toilets,,, if they are set up right you will not see any difference if you do it will be minimal,, word of advice, make friends with Uncle Paul he is sharp as hell on mechanical inj. setups and will not steer you wrong,,,

X2 really I like garbs better for alky. Injection is just hard on the engine with all the excess fuel going in the cylinders.

 

[358T]

Injection is just hard on the engine with all the excess fuel going in the cylinders.

Absolutely not true. It is not acceptable to have those type of problems with injection. If a person has engine issues due to excess fuel with injection it is due to improper tuneup, improper idle mixture setting and/or improper operation.

 

[540IROC]

I run dual 4.1" toilets on my 540. A nice Enderle hat would look much better but the toilets do the job just as well. A dual system or a hat which flows a lot more air than a simple carb will flatten out the torque curve giving you more area under the curve.

 

[bones427]

i went to enderle over a carb. wow what a response diff. Plus looks Bad Ass.

 

[Tyster]

Absolutely not true. It is not acceptable to have those type of problems with injection. If a person has engine issues due to excess fuel with injection it is due to improper tuneup, improper idle mixture setting and/or improper operation.

X 2

 

[Fisher-Racing]

I really dont think that inj. is harder on an engine than anything else, i think that deal comes from people that are wrench happy with their barrel valve, then they get the whole milking thing going on, or they wash down cylinders among other things ,,and i understand there is a fine line from having a crisp response to off idle stumble, usually people fatten the barrel valve too much in most cases, if you have it set up right then you are fine, but it does take effort and in some setups espically if you have the wrong size fuel pump or nizzles or other things it can take quite a bit of effort, some get frustrated and say the hell with it, but once it is right they work great,but i have seen some nice engines die a miserable death due to people not having a clue ( or would not listen) with injection,,,
Years ago when the toilets came out i got one and picked up 4 tenths --hell i was sold , who would not be, but at that time you could not pick up the phone and order a custom carb, you had to buy one out of the box and screw with it for a couple of weekends to get it to work decent,,,,,
fast fwd to today, carbs have come a long way in the last few years they do not requier near the signal to operate they used too and you can pick up the phone and have a custom carb built for your combination that is usually close to spot on when you get it,,,for years i would not even discuss a carb let alone purchase one i was an inj diehard till a friend finally talked me into trying one , ran it for a season and sold every inj piece that i had in my shop,,,but that is just me, usually when you get into the carb vs inj debate it starts a world of shit and is not my intention here what so ever,, both work good and whatever route you chose people will be glad to help you with either one here,,,i just would like to point out that if your carb was right and tuned for your combo then dont expect 40 hp gain, what you will see with inj is the response different than with a carb and you can get up on the chip quicker , some cases you will pick up in the 60' and sometimes you may not, every combination is different, when i switched to the carb my 60' actually stayed the same but i picked up a couple of hundredths on the big end and a little bit over one MPH, you may or may not,, but i hope you do

 

[Fisher-Racing]

Forgot to mention above, if it were me and i had to choose between the bird and the toilets would go with the toilets espically if you are running a hood scoop, but thats just my prefrence --no particular reason other than i just like the look of two toilets better than the bird

 

[G-String]

As Far as 40Hp is NOT an Absolute Deal,thats why I said 25-40.And actually Any LITTLE bit would be GREAT!
This is the Info I was Looking for!I have ALL 3-Of these Systems.2100 Terminator,Dual 4.0 Toilets and a L/New Enderle Bird set-up.I Am NOT AFFRAID of a Wrench so............?
The Car NEEDS to be Able to Run 8.90 w/E-85 so in Reality a High .70 would be Great?
THANKS for All the HELP!
As far as that Goes,KEEP the Info coming?Its NO WHERE Near Race Season here in N/West Michigan!
Later
G

 

[dragsterman8]

Call james Monroe at killer rons. Com. 812-327-1190 he will give u a straight up answer

 

[Horndog]

Any of those three systems, when correctly set-up for clean idle and at wot, on methanol, will perform great. What I think you'll need to do is to find some racers that are running any of those three systems on E-85 and talk to them about their set up. As there is a difference between E-85 and methanol alcohol.

I have an Enderle Hat, on methanol, on a small block. Once we dialed it in (barrel valve, main pill, HS by-pass, nozzles, etc) it was deadly consistent. Equipped with an EGT reader.

With methanol, invest in a good EGT reader. It is a good tuning aid.
I've read other threads about E-85 (carbs) and some of the carb builders like an O2 sensor to tune E-85 with.

Good luck.

 

[358T]

E85 is a viable fuel option to use with mechanical fuel systems such as Ron's, Enderle, etc, etc.

It requires a different nozzle size and sometimes pump size comared to a methanol tuneup. KillerRons.com has some successful E85 systems being used. Success being a track championship won by a customer injecting E85 with a Flying Toilet.