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Personal opinion......invasion of privacy. The less the world knows about more private things, to me, the better. Don't want em' knowing about money either. It's my business, not theirs mine.
 

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it's not nesseceraly the background check, this is just where it starts. whats next? We have to check your credit to be sure you don't need to rob anybody... too much? Insurance already does it and credit aint got a dammed thing to do with driving. Won't be long till we have to be very secretive to own a gun....
 

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Every gun show I have been to has always required background checks, though my understanding is that if buying from an individual at a show you don't need one. Other than people selling antiques though, just about all the sellers at shows are registered dealers. As far as private sales, it's nobody's business if I sell a gun to a family member or friend, or if one is handed through the family as a gift. There is also the fear that requiring background checks on private sales will lead to all private sales (and gifts) of guns being taxed, just like cars.
 

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Every gun show I have been to has always required background checks, though my understanding is that if buying from an individual at a show you don't need one. Other than people selling antiques though, just about all the sellers at shows are registered dealers. As far as private sales, it's nobody's business if I sell a gun to a family member or friend, or if one is handed through the family as a gift. There is also the fear that requiring background checks on private sales will lead to all private sales (and gifts) of guns being taxed, just like cars.
sorry , didnt see your post before I posted .
 

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But legitimate gun shops have to do them .
I understand, and yes in theory somebody unfit to own a gun could buy one in a private transaction. But at some point you have to decide how much a small amount of perceived safety is worth in relation to your privacy and individual freedom. Have to draw the line somewhere or all your freedoms eventually erode away. Having a background check done an ALL gun ownership changes is effectively the same as gun registration since there are records kept of all background checks.


FWIW I have a personal policy of not selling any guns (whether it be a handgun, rifle or shotgun) to anybody without a concealed carry permit. Hurts when I am trying to sell a rifle, but makes me feel much better about the transaction if I am selling to somebody I don't know.
 

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I will tell you as a local Gun Shop owner I believe all guns should have a back ground check gun show & private sale & the goverment can mandate that there will only be a $15.00 fee for doing so that way the FFL owners can not over charge to do a 4473. Having said that I will also tell you all that may or may not know this the only people that have a record of where your gun was purchased from or who it belongs too is the FFL holder himself you don't really think that the ATF can really keep track of all these guns that are purchased do ya. Here is how it works let's say a gun is used in a crime the ATF will trace the gun back to the FFL holder from where it was transfered from & only then will they be able to get the info from the owner. The FFL ownwer's are required to keep the records for 7 years then they are destroyed atleast that's how it works in FL. Hope this helps I would like to see all private transactions be done thru a background check you don't know how many guns I have seen puchased outside of a gun show & wondered if that guy os leagal or even of age & we wonder why the guns are getting in the wrong hands & threatining our rights to even have them. JMO
 

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Why do most gun owners not want them at gun shows / private sales ?

Just curious , I have no dog in this fight .
i guess some people are overly paranoid and what the government is doing. i could care less. i go through at least 3 or 4 background checks a year for work. heck the d.o.d accepts ccl as a second form of i.d. i have never been turned down for access so i know could care less about what guns i have bought.
 

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The plain and simple issue is that the government will likely keep the information and turn it effectively into a gun registration database. Having registration does not prevent a single crime, it only makes investigation AFTER a crime theoretically easier. The real reason for registration is eventual confiscation.

I will tell you as a local Gun Shop owner I believe all guns should have a back ground check gun show & private sale & the goverment can mandate that there will only be a $15.00 fee for doing so that way the FFL owners can not over charge to do a 4473. Having said that I will also tell you all that may or may not know this the only people that have a record of where your gun was purchased from or who it belongs too is the FFL holder himself you don't really think that the ATF can really keep track of all these guns that are purchased do ya. Here is how it works let's say a gun is used in a crime the ATF will trace the gun back to the FFL holder from where it was transfered from & only then will they be able to get the info from the owner. The FFL ownwer's are required to keep the records for 7 years then they are destroyed atleast that's how it works in FL. Hope this helps I would like to see all private transactions be done thru a background check you don't know how many guns I have seen puchased outside of a gun show & wondered if that guy os leagal or even of age & we wonder why the guns are getting in the wrong hands & threatining our rights to even have them. JMO
Come on, when there is a case of possible Mad Cow disease they can track every place that cow has been since birth, do you REALLY think it would be impossible to just keep a database from those checks? Why do they have the serial number on 4473? Why do you have to include the serial number when you call in the check? The government is required by law to NOT retain those records, but during the Clinton administration they were found to be retaining them illegally.
 

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I would pass any back ground check with no prob. When it comes to guns and possibly other things, I don't want a back ground check ran on me because I think there is the possibility of a paper trail if they ever do try to take guns away etc. When I was younger, I bought a pistol from a sporting goods store but later sold it to a friend because I rarely shot it. I wish I had not bought it because there is a possibility my name is on record as a gun owner not 100% sure since this was 20ish years or so ago. If I were in the market for a gun, I would prefer that the person I bought from not have my info for the sole reason of government coming to me to try and take any weapons they think I may have.

It's been said a million times by the neigh sayers that they will never try to take them. I don't care, I'd rather be safe than sorry.
 

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I think owning a gun should be a right as well as a privilege . I think everyone should have to get a license and register every gun .

I'm OK with selling or giving guns to friends and family too , but just like a car , it should be registered and you should have a license saying your capable of handling it with care .

I also think certain guns should have age requirements . I dont think its healthy to give your 10 year old a hand gun .
 

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Funny how we jump behind privacy law, when we need to but when you buy house or a car you guys have no issues giving up all your info your wifes info how much money you make ,,
AINT THAT FUNNY!!,, BUT GOD FORBID LAW BE DAMMED IF IT OVER A GUN !!!
 

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I will tell you as a local Gun Shop owner I believe all guns should have a back ground check gun show & private sale & the goverment can mandate that there will only be a $15.00 fee for doing so that way the FFL owners can not over charge to do a 4473. Having said that I will also tell you all that may or may not know this the only people that have a record of where your gun was purchased from or who it belongs too is the FFL holder himself you don't really think that the ATF can really keep track of all these guns that are purchased do ya. Here is how it works let's say a gun is used in a crime the ATF will trace the gun back to the FFL holder from where it was transfered from & only then will they be able to get the info from the owner. The FFL ownwer's are required to keep the records for 7 years then they are destroyed atleast that's how it works in FL. Hope this helps I would like to see all private transactions be done thru a background check you don't know how many guns I have seen puchased outside of a gun show & wondered if that guy os leagal or even of age & we wonder why the guns are getting in the wrong hands & threatining our rights to even have them. JMO
The A&D book has to be kept forever. Upon closing the business you have 30 days to send all of your A&D books to the ATF.
 

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The plain and simple issue is that the government will likely keep the information and turn it effectively into a gun registration database. Having registration does not prevent a single crime, it only makes investigation AFTER a crime theoretically easier. The real reason for registration is eventual confiscation.


Come on, when there is a case of possible Mad Cow disease they can track every place that cow has been since birth, do you REALLY think it would be impossible to just keep a database from those checks? Why do they have the serial number on 4473? Why do you have to include the serial number when you call in the check? The government is required by law to NOT retain those records, but during the Clinton administration they were found to be retaining them illegally.
The serial number is not included when you call in a background check. Infact, that section of the 4473 does not need to be completed right away, the FFL has 7 days to complete that section and enter into the A&D book
 

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The serial number is not included when you call in a background check. Infact, that section of the 4473 does not need to be completed right away, the FFL has 7 days to complete that section and enter into the A&D book

HMMMM Then how did the lady that was working with me trying to clear up an issue (from 18yrs ago that rears it's ugly head every now and then)I had a few years ago know that I was buying a Beretta hand gun?? She for sure knew the maker and style, but not necessarily the model.
 
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