[O.C White]

To clear more air on when to present CCW's(I can only speak for Texas), yesterday afternoon, stopped a Green Camaro on IH-5 for not having a front plate which is mandatory on all passneger cars/trucks/vans in Texas.

Go through my 7 step violator approach guy hands me his license, along with CCW license. I ask where is your weapon and he says right here on my hip, finish my spill, issue his warning send him on his way right after asking him how he worked at O'Reilly's and did not have a front license plate bracket.

Man I wish every stop could go like that, but nooooooooooooooooooooo. :-D

 

[flynbrian]

I just recently got my CCW, I keep my gun in its holster locked in the glove compartment or on my side while driving.

We were taught that we should mention we have our CCW even if we dont have our gun along with...Even though the law says we dont have to say anything if the gun isnt present.

Whats your take? Of course I live in Ohio but just wondering.

I guess we have had a few overzealous officers really whip up a storm over people not mentioning it even though they were legal since the gun was not there.

Also. I drive company vehicles, The license plates are not registered to me like my personal vehicles...I know if I am stopped in my own vehicles it flags up on the computer that I am a license holder. But do you guys get suprised when a company registered vehicle is carrying? (We are not allowed to carry at the office, But on the road the owners dont care if we carry even in company vehicles)

 

[O.C White]

Good question Brian,

I can only speak for Texas with 100% accuracy, that either you have to disclose to me you have a CCW or I will find out when I run your license.

Now I have had some people that didn't tell me they had a CCW permit, and they said "well it was because I don't have my weapon with me" fair enough.

Like I said in another thread, most of the time with CCW holders, their traffic violations are so minor, 99% of the time they will get a warning.

Me personally I like having CCW holders out there, if I feel anyone wil help me in a gunfight I think it will be a CCW holder right there banging away with me. Plus it is easier to deputize them.

 

[flynbrian]

Cool, How & when does a person ever get deputized?

 

[Shearer]

We were taught that we should mention we have our CCW even if we dont have our gun along with...Even though the law says we dont have to say anything if the gun isnt present.

Actually Ohio law does state that you must disclose you have a CCW permit even if you are not carrying. I think it's a misdemeanor if you do not. When the officer runs your plates they are notified that you have a CCW permit(shows up under the warrant section), so they will most likely know before you tell them.

 

[flynbrian]

No thats the problem is its a gray area. We were told just tell them because 90% of the people are not fully aware of the law. Its only a misdemeanor if you have your gun and dont tell them & get caught with it.

If you do not have your gun, and your driving your own car or someone elses your not required to but its a good idea to inform.



Also I do know if you touch your gun anytime during a traffic stop its a Felony. Unless the officer intructs you to touch it for some reason.

Some counties are different in Ohio too as far as the process of getting your license. I live in Butler, I got fingerprinted and background checked. In Hamilton County you must sit down with the sheriff for a interview of "why" you want your CCW but its stupid becuase the meeting has no bearing on your getting the license. The State says if you meet the requirements thats all that matters. You do not have to give a reason. But I think Hamilton County does it as a scare tatic to hold up the process and make it another hoop to jump through.


I will re-read my book but I am 100% sure if your not packing you dont have to disclose.

 

[Shearer]

Interesting. I'll double check the book I have as well, could have sworn it said it's required. We had a Medina County Sheriff co-instructing our class and it was made very clear that it is a requirement to notify, carrying or not.

 

[flynbrian]

I had a retired officer & detective teach us...It wasnt the standard NRA class it was the OPOTC class. it was 12 hours in one day. Pretty awesome because the basic information was covered right away and after the shooting parts were completed we had lots of training on spotting predators and more safety than you could shake a stick at along with real police photo's and real life experiences from the intructors about everything involved from every angle. There was only also about 8 people in our class.

It was pretty awesome and I'd do it again...

 

[flynbrian]

My instructor invited us to come over anytime for brush up's on the rules and range time as well as additional training. I've been friends with him since 1990. He has always been very gung-ho about defense and law-enforcement. Really cool guy also taught me how to build my first race grade SBC, He owns a machine shop too.

He goes to the Blackwater training center every year in North Carolina? I think, and he gets trained on some great stuff. They shoot like 10,000 rounds in one week. I dont think I could ever afford to do that.
Did you also get taught how the Castle Doctrine is pretty much a turd? If you read it very carefully it contradicts itself many times.

 

[O.C White]

Cool, How & when does a person ever get deputized?

When an officer is getting his ass whooped :-D or needs someone to cover him.

 

[Radical540]

I just wanted to say that I've had my CCW since the law was enacted here in Michigan (back in '02 I think....can't remember).
In all these years, I've only "carried" twice. I've got a Glock .45, and it's just a pain in the ass to carry around a fully loaded .45....too heavy and bulky.
Anyway...here in MI, you don't have to inform unless your carrying. Fair enough!

 

[flynbrian]

I have been carrying my Charter Arms Bulldog Pug .44 Special, 5 shot revolver pretty much most days I leave the house.

When we were taught I was made a little paranoid about the "you'll never know the day that a problem is going to erupt." And they played a video of a woman who lost her family and the "If only" so I figure I have the license. I am responsible. I want to stay brushed up on handling the arm and feel comfortable having it around.
I been practicing calling the previously known item as a clip a "Magazine" for semi-auto's since we were taught the correct terms for the parts of the guns and since if you ever go to court how a lawyer will tear you up if you dont know the correct terminology for everything. We were taught to mind our P's & Q's very well because using the firearm is going to open up a full investigation so it better be used to the book.

There is no sense in having a CCW if your not confident with your firearm and fully able to use it accurately and under pressure. My girlfriend got hers right along with me since she drives my cars too.


We practice talking about where we can & cant go with it and we point out and observe the placards that warn against entrance with a gun. Being aware of the whole situation is very important. We had a large talk about awareness.

I would suggest if the Glock .45 is too bulky and cumbersome get a ankle holster and a Keltec or something. Find a small easy to carry gun. It dont have to be expensive or fancy. One of the best arms to carry is a .38 hammerless revolver. Ruger and others make a 1 pounder that is pretty nice.

I carry the bigger .44 revolver...Its all I think I will ever need. I dont feel the 5 shots is a problem either. According to our training in a confrontation the average is not real high for a number of shots.

I dont feel like anyone's out to get me. I do tend to travel alot. I work in sales/technical and work in some piss poor neighborhoods at times. I dont usually carry cash but people might think I may. I am a large guy, so my size also reduces conflict. But I am ready for anything I figure.

 

[Radical540]

I know exactly what you're saying.....however (and ironically on YB, most will understand) I sold almost all my handguns, rifles and various SKS's, and AR15 (2), when I moved back from outwest and bought.....of all things........more race car parts!! LOL
All I've got left is the Glock .45, Glock 10mm, (1) AR15, (1) Remington .270 & believe it or not.....a 460 Weatherby Magnum!

 

[flynbrian]

My others are a Ithaca 20 gauge over under, (Beautiful) a Mossberg 500A 12 gauge pistol grip pump, (All black) and a old antique Winchester 22 bolt action single shot rifle that is accurate enough to shock me. I have picked off Starlings on my Dads farm from Hundreds of feet away no sweat without a scope of any sort.

 

[68Bird]

Damn O.C. I wish the cops around here were 1/2 as cool as you. I went 7 years with no front plate and then got pulled over twice in 4 months and tickets both times. I deserved it the first time, was going 20+ over and the HiPO couldn't prove it so he wrote me for the plate. Next time was a punk ass kid looking for a reason to pull me over. Fucking front plates look retarded on sports cars.

I've been contemplating getting my CCW but wasn't sure how the Officers would view that in situations like traffic stops. I don't want it to cause a problem when there may have not been one to begin with. Sounds maybe like its hit / miss though depending on the Officer.

 

[Mista Bone]

What is so hard about running the front plate????

Unless Bambi stole it, that was a fiasco.

Ohio wouldn't issue me a replacement plate, nor allow me to transfer to a new full set of plates. I was less than 30 days into new plates, was told to wait till next year and get new plates instead of a just a sticker.

THANKFULLY the OSP did take a report and with some digging could be found by the local PO's......

 

[68Bird]

Nothings 'hard' about running it. The car is an '01 T/A and has the cover where the plate goes and looks like ass with a plate there. Same deal with the Camaro / Vette and most other sports cars. Besides whats the purpose of it anyway?? Its not like cops can READ it when passing you going the other way, they turn around catch up and run the plate number. Most states don't require a front plate. Here's something even more retarded the grate state of MO does is with my truck I only have a FRONT plate, no rear plate because its registered over 18k pounds. That is pure retarded-ness.

 

[O.C White]

Nothings 'hard' about running it. The car is an '01 T/A and has the cover where the plate goes and looks like ass with a plate there. Same deal with the Camaro / Vette and most other sports cars. Besides whats the purpose of it anyway?? Its not like cops can READ it when passing you going the other way, they turn around catch up and run the plate number. Most states don't require a front plate. Here's something even more retarded the grate state of MO does is with my truck I only have a FRONT plate, no rear plate because its registered over 18k pounds. That is pure retarded-ness.

Is your truck registered as a "combination" or is it just registered? Reason I ask, trucks registered as "combination" pull trailers 99% of the time and a rear plate can't be seen anyway.

Yes I stop a lot of Vettes, TA's, and Camaro's, and unless they have something else wrong, they get a warning from me.

Even though I am pretty much a rookie in law enforcement, I am not in life, and I stay away from attitude citations.

 

[O.C White]

Damn O.C. I wish the cops around here were 1/2 as cool as you. I went 7 years with no front plate and then got pulled over twice in 4 months and tickets both times. I deserved it the first time, was going 20+ over and the HiPO couldn't prove it so he wrote me for the plate. Next time was a punk ass kid looking for a reason to pull me over. Fucking front plates look retarded on sports cars.

I've been contemplating getting my CCW but wasn't sure how the Officers would view that in situations like traffic stops. I don't want it to cause a problem when there may have not been one to begin with. Sounds maybe like its hit / miss though depending on the Officer.

After reading this, I have zero comment about the state you live in. You being a legal CCW holder should not have any effect on a traffic stop.

Like I have said most of the CCW holders who commit traffic violations, the violations are so minor, it warrants a warning more than anything.

 

[Shelton_Barrs]

When an officer is getting his ass whooped :-D or needs someone to cover him.

So.....if your in the middle of getting your ass whooped, how do you manage to do the deputizing??? :-D :-D :-D









and by the way, if someone is whooping you, I don't think I want any part of them....