[pops3489]

Hell no, you gotta go fast before you slow down, just ask clay millican

 

[seanss454]

1000 ft was a good 1st step. Thje retarders make the engines blow up it is very hard on them when the cylinders load up and kaboom. You know how much fuel goes through one of those with a 100 gallon pump!!!!

Dropping the compression will only do so much these guys have stacks of gaskets in 2-3 thousandths increments. Alan johnson said the last 300 feet are the worst were the damage is concerned. From years past the fuel guys ate alot of motors in denver yesterday and today so far it has been minimal. You notice laot of them were only using 1 chute? vs 2.

Sean

 

[Jeremy Glass]

1000 ft was a good 1st step. Thje retarders make the engines blow up it is very hard on them when the cylinders load up and kaboom. You know how much fuel goes through one of those with a 100 gallon pump!!!!

Dropping the compression will only do so much these guys have stacks of gaskets in 2-3 thousandths increments. Alan johnson said the last 300 feet are the worst were the damage is concerned. From years past the fuel guys ate alot of motors in denver yesterday and today so far it has been minimal. You notice laot of them were only using 1 chute? vs 2.

Sean

According to tony pedregon today most teams arent on the rev limiters. And they still blow up.

 

[Mule]

Coil said they've been racing 1000 ft ever since the rev limiter was mandated. He said the last 320 was sitting on the limiter, hoping not to blow up.

 

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Coil said they've been racing 1000 ft ever since the rev limiter was mandated. He said the last 320 was sitting on the limiter, hoping not to blow up.

I heard that comment and hought to myself, hmmmmm when one of my cars is on the rev limiter after 1000 ft ,it doesn't pick up any more mph. They must use a different type of rev limiter, or else nitro motors still pull even on the limiter. Because they are picking up 25-30 mph in the last 320ft.

 

[Jeremy Glass]

Coil said they've been racing 1000 ft ever since the rev limiter was mandated. He said the last 320 was sitting on the limiter, hoping not to blow up.

And today, tony said he doesnt agree with coil. Coil's cars may be on the limiter at 1000ft, but tonys, cruz's and others are not.

 

[JSracing]

couple of things. the fuel cars dont run the "best" blowers the Pro Mods do. Why? cause they dont need them. They cant use anymore "tune up" or HP. It's all clutch they are making way more HP than the tires can stand now. Tire technology hasnt caught up with the HP the fuel cars develop.

They apply the HP slowly through the clutch to keep from blowing through the tires.

Now what makes you think they will tweak the tune up?

that doesnt mean Im for or against 1000 ft. but what I said is right from a fuel team.

Also take anything the cruz and tony say with a grain of salt. FWIW

 

[Blown & Injected]

And today, tony said he doesnt agree with coil. Coil's cars may be on the limiter at 1000ft, but tonys, cruz's and others are not.

Sure they are, they all run 3.20:1 ratio with the very same tire size. They are all going to be close in RPM. The rev limiter/retarder has been the problem for years. T-Ped can say what he wants, maybe he has a different agenda, but the fact remains that the top crew chiefs have been bellyaching about the rev limiter for years now. Look at the qualifying times, when was the last time you had this close of a spread in the fuel classes?

At first I was pissed about 1000'. But after wathcing it and seeing how it leveled the playing field, I am all for it.

Kudos NHRA. I am for the 1000' deal now.

 

[Jeremy Glass]

Sure they are, they all run 3.20:1 ratio with the very same tire size. They are all going to be close in RPM. The rev limiter/retarder has been the problem for years. T-Ped can say what he wants, maybe he has a different agenda, but the fact remains that the top crew chiefs have been bellyaching about the rev limiter for years now. Look at the qualifying times, when was the last time you had this close of a spread in the fuel classes?

At first I was pissed about 1000'. But after wathcing it and seeing how it leveled the playing field, I am all for it.

Kudos NHRA. I am for the 1000' deal now.

Thanks, i wasnt aware that you know more about tonys car then he does.

 

[JSracing]

Sure they are, they all run 3.20:1 ratio with the very same tire size. They are all going to be close in RPM. The rev limiter/retarder has been the problem for years. T-Ped can say what he wants, maybe he has a different agenda, but the fact remains that the top crew chiefs have been bellyaching about the rev limiter for years now. Look at the qualifying times, when was the last time you had this close of a spread in the fuel classes?

At first I was pissed about 1000'. But after wathcing it and seeing how it leveled the playing field, I am all for it.

Kudos NHRA. I am for the 1000' deal now.

Exactly, Tony P. has an agenda.

 

[Blown & Injected]

Thanks, i wasnt aware that you know more about tonys car then he does.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but Tony is a driver. Cruz is a whiner. Both Ped brothers always seem to talk and never say much. Or much that anyone else agrees with.

Here are the facts;

First 5 races of the year averaged (field fillers not included) -
TF qual - spread of .3410
FC qual - spread of .1826

Denver
TF qual - spread of .1210
FC qual - spread of .1140

So... what say you?
(oh and PS... the whole gear ratio / tire diameter thing is just physics and numerology, I didn't expect you to get it)

 

[ozone eater]

Exactly, Tony P. has an agenda.

an agenda to win another championship with alot less money than force. a coil is a bs'er. someone here on this site used to work for him and he even called him a bs'er.

 

[Mista Bone]

I hate the idea of the shorter track, but with the revlimter it will only save parts.

Closer racing, slower traps.........sounds just like NASCAR on restrictor plate racing.

IMHO have the NHRA take away any limiter and retard, but keep it at 1000 foot.

For those purists of the 1320, Dale's ideas are great, but the COST upfront for everyone to change (NASCAR + COT) and learn might sink a few teams, esp. when you don't even have a full field.

 

[jboehm]

They didn't even have a full field.

 

[grosspeed2k4]

Eliminate Nitro

The answer is to eliminate Nitro all together go methanol only and let everybody go at it. Nobody seems to be talking about the fact that there is still a shortage of nitro and they can't even test because they can't get it.

 

[Moparchris440]

The answer is to eliminate Nitro all together go methanol only and let everybody go at it. Nobody seems to be talking about the fact that there is still a shortage of nitro and they can't even test because they can't get it.

Methanol would never make enough power to run with Nitro , thats why they have a top Aolchol class I think they run high 5's 1320. meth is 3000 hp short that wont bring the croud.

 

[JAY95gt]

The answer is to eliminate Nitro all together go methanol only and let everybody go at it. Nobody seems to be talking about the fact that there is still a shortage of nitro and they can't even test because they can't get it.

They already have a sportsman class for that. Will never happen in Pro TF or FC.

There isn't a shortage of nitro. There is a limited supply from the NHRA exclusive supplier, not from global supply.

 

[hsutton]

They are going to rev them just as high, in a quicker amount of time, and go as fast as possible in 1000ft. That means they will still be blowing up engines.

I think your wrong. It's stress over a given amount of time, less time, less stress. I don't think there will be nearly as much breakage. Time will be the final judge. All the drivers and crew chiefs were also in on this interim fix.

 

[WJ Birmingham]

I heard that comment and hought to myself, hmmmmm when one of my cars is on the rev limiter after 1000 ft ,it doesn't pick up any more mph. They must use a different type of rev limiter, or else nitro motors still pull even on the limiter. Because they are picking up 25-30 mph in the last 320ft.

When they go over "X" rpm, the limiter retards cylinder timing. It not an interrupt like every other class uses. Can you imagine mis-firing a nitro motor? It'd explode, literally.

 

[Rodrigues]

I would agree, but I also don't listen to anything JG has to say because he only pretends to know what he's talking about.

I think your wrong. It's stress over a given amount of time, less time, less stress. I don't think there will be nearly as much breakage. Time will be the final judge. All the drivers and crew chiefs were also in on this interim fix.