[gryphon68]

Any merit to idea of replacing Open Comp in Milan's Head's Up program with a Limited Drag Radial Class? Would require basic engine inspection to limit the combo's however, I know that's not popular.

Possible rules borrowed from MSRA/Mason Dixon:

General-
Heads Up Class
.400 Pro Tree
1/8 mile, 1st to the finish wins
All competitors are to use a 275 Drag Radial Tire (50 or 60 series) Must say 275 on Sidewall
All Run Field with qualifying to set up a Pro Ladder

Suspension-
Stock Front Frame Rails required, direct replacement light weight components allowed (k-member,coilovers,etc.)
Front k-member may be modified for rack and pinion and oil pan access
Stock Rear Frame rails required, may be notced for tire clearance
Ladder Bar and Coilovers OK with stock rear frame rails
Welded in Anti-Roll OK
No wheelie bars

Engine-
Power Adders with Small Blocks Only
Big Blocks Normally Aspirated Only?
Single Stage Nitrous Systems only-extra solenoids and components will need to be disabled and easily inspected
Single Turbo (76mm) and Centrifugal Superchargers (F1 or equiv) allowed without the aid of water to air intrcoolers or Meth/Water injection
Roots Blower allowed with 2 carbs or injection
No multiple power adders (Twin Turbos, Blower with N2O,etc.)
Multiple carbs and/or Sheetmetal intakes allowed only on Normally Aspirated Combos Only

Weights: To Be Determined

Interior/exterior-
2 Front seat, covered door panels and factory appearing dash required and carpet,emphasis on Street Appearing
Fiberglass limited to Hood, Hood Scoop and front and rear bumpers.
Factory OEM or OEM Replacement windows required-No Lexan, Speedglass or similar Light weight replacements with the
exception of rear windows on trucks (rollbar access)
No Race Car Lettering-Stickers for sponsors or contigency OK.

Exhaust-
Mufflers required on all cars except Turbos

Electronics-Trans Brakes OK. No throttle stops, Delay Boxes or other bracket racing aids allowed.

Anyone caught cheating will lose all winnings and be banned from future events.

 

[Bub]

Any merit to idea of replacing Open Comp in Milan's Head's Up program with a Limited Drag Radial Class? Would require basic engine inspection to limit the combo's however, I know that's not popular.

Possible rules borrowed from MSRA/Mason Dixon:

General-
Heads Up Class
.400 Pro Tree
1/8 mile, 1st to the finish wins
All competitors are to use a 275 Drag Radial Tire (50 or 60 series) Must say 275 on Sidewall
All Run Field with qualifying to set up a Pro Ladder

Suspension-
Stock Front Frame Rails required, direct replacement light weight components allowed (k-member,coilovers,etc.)
Front k-member may be modified for rack and pinion and oil pan access
Stock Rear Frame rails required, may be notced for tire clearance
Ladder Bar and Coilovers OK with stock rear frame rails
Welded in Anti-Roll OK
No wheelie bars

Engine-
Power Adders with Small Blocks Only
Big Blocks Normally Aspirated Only?
Single Stage Nitrous Systems only-extra solenoids and components will need to be disabled and easily inspected
Single Turbo (76mm) and Centrifugal Superchargers (F1 or equiv) allowed without the aid of water to air intrcoolers or Meth/Water injection
Roots Blower allowed with 2 carbs or injection
No multiple power adders (Twin Turbos, Blower with N2O,etc.)
Multiple carbs and/or Sheetmetal intakes allowed only on Normally Aspirated Combos Only

Weights: To Be Determined

Interior/exterior-
2 Front seat, covered door panels and factory appearing dash required and carpet,emphasis on Street Appearing
Fiberglass limited to Hood, Hood Scoop and front and rear bumpers.
Factory OEM or OEM Replacement windows required-No Lexan, Speedglass or similar Light weight replacements with the
exception of rear windows on trucks (rollbar access)
No Race Car Lettering-Stickers for sponsors or contigency OK.

Exhaust-
Mufflers required on all cars except Turbos

Electronics-Trans Brakes OK. No throttle stops, Delay Boxes or other bracket racing aids allowed.

Anyone caught cheating will lose all winnings and be banned from future events.

im on that open comp class sucks,,, all of those slow bracket car..... i thought it was friday heads up anyways,..... not wat u usually see at milan all those bracket cars with millions of stickers on them... wat a joke

 

[gryphon68]

Maybe allow 8.5 slicks also, as there are a couple organizations running True 8.5 in neighboring states.

 

[8sec55]

this is a cool ass idea! but it will fall on deaf ears when it comes to the Milan staff! and yes the open comp class does suck!

 

[maxamus]

I dont think it will ever happen. Open comp gets a full field every race. Probably the only class they make money on. At the last race they had cars that didnt even qualify and I believe its a 64 car field.

 

[Jeremy Glass]

Whats wrong with the current drag radial class? It has a 7.50 cap on it.

Hasnt someone already been 7.60s with an F2 on a small block sitting on 275s? Groves?

 

[gryphon68]

Whats wrong with the current drag radial class? It has a 7.50 cap on it.

Hasnt someone already been 7.60s with an F2 on a small block sitting on 275s? Groves?

Limited TIRE and ENGINE, try to keep the cars around 1000hp 76mm/F1/1 Fogger, SB only. The difference between an F1 and F2 is huge. Also no Water to Air Intercoolers,

Ideally it would be 8.50 and slower

 

[Jeremy Glass]

Limited TIRE and ENGINE, try to keep the cars around 1000hp 76mm/F1/1 Fogger, SB only. The difference between an F1 and F2 is huge.

And all of the radial cars will look identical to the fans, so i dont ever see this happening. I agree, open comp is lame.

Id much rather see a 16 car field for RWYB.

 

[Jesse Lambert]

I am local to MSRA and hope to see this take off. I think that for the ease of tech though that the turbo rule should read "No Large Frame Turbos".

 

[gryphon68]

I am local to MSRA and hope to see this take off. I think that for the ease of tech though that the turbo rule should read "No Large Frame Turbos".

Isn't "Large Frame" really Garrett based terminology? How do you categorize other brands that are not Garrett based?

 

[Ben Mens jr.]

I'd rather see the rules opened up a little more for nitrous and n/a bikes in the extreme motorcycle class.

 

[Jesse Lambert]

basically no T6 flanged turbos

 

[gryphon68]

basically no T6 flanged turbos

That would be easy enough to check, going with that thought. You can get up to 88mm with a T4. I've seen chassis dyno numbers close to 1200hp with an 88/T4.

What limitation on superchargers would you make to closest match the turbo limits?

 

[Boweevil]

Check out the Cheap Street rules. No turbo's period! This is a great heads up "entry level" class with a strong following around here. The cars run 5.60s to 5.90s 1/8th mile..

http://cheapstreetracing.com/index.html

 

[gryphon68]

Check out the Cheap Street rules. No turbo's period! This is a great heads up "entry level" class with a strong following around here. The cars run 5.60s to 5.90s 1/8th mile..

http://cheapstreetracing.com/index.html

That's a decent target ET range. Would like to keep it open to broad number of combinations, not everyone likes to pay for their HP by the pound of giggle gas . . .

So you figure 800-850 hp on SB/NOS combo's??

 

[Drag Radial]

Here's a set you could use and maybe just what your looking for. A few tweaks to make things a little easier for tech and off you go.

*Commercial Race Gasoline only: No Nitro, No Alcohol

(Vehicle Minimum Weights)

1. SB N/A 23 degree/stock valve angle 2600
2. SB N/A: 15/18 degree 2800
2. SB Nitrous, Turbo, or Blower stock valve angle: 3000 and non stock valve angle : 3100
3. Canted Valve SB and BB N/A: 3100
4. ** SB Power Adder limited to Inline Valve Heads Only
5. ** BB N/A Combos limited to Conventional Style Heads
6. ** Cleveland Style Heads must be used on Cleveland Block


Mafia Motorsports Real Street @ Sunshine Races.. Rule Addition
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For the Sunshine Real Street Races.. Big blocks can use single stage/spray bar plate with 1 single NOS brand power shot ,or super power shot nitrous solenoid. Any fuel solenoid is allowed. Weight is 3400#, any 275 drag radial, and conventional cylinder heads only. Hopefully this will help get the car count were we need it to be.

After May 3rd engine diaper, and competition license will be required

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(Nitrous Specifications)

1. Single Stage/Plate system only with a maximum of one nitrous, one fuel, and one purge solenoid. Each solenoid is permitted a single orifice. Plate systems limited to 1 nitrous spray bar and one fuel spray bar, purge must exit engine compartment. Plate must not be permanent part of the intake or use fogger nozzles.
2. Progressive systems permitted and are allowed one additional solenoid for progressive operation only, must be inline. EFI systems are required to use a single nitrous nozzle which injects nitrous oxide into the engine prior to the throttle blade.
3. Fogger Systems or (2) Stage NOS Prohibited. These systems must be removed or disconnected/capped prior to and during the race. Failure to do so will result in DQ.

(Blower Specifications)

1. Vortech: YSI, T-Trim, S-Trim – or any model of lesser rating
2. ProCharger: F1(Non “R”), D1/D1SC - or any model of lesser rating
3. Reverse rotation /forward facing blowers permitted on Ford Modular/LSI applications only. Blower inlet air source must originate from within the engine bay.

(Turbo Specifications)

1. Maximum size of 76MM Small Frame. Boost Controllers Permitted
2. Forward facing Turbo prohibited. Turbo inlet air source must originate from within the engine bay





(Tire Specifications – Listed Sizes/Models Only)

1. P275/60/50/45 M/T, BFG, HOOSIER, Nitto or Goodyear Radial Only 100lb break for BFG
2. 28 X 11.50LT – Street Slicks 100lb weight added (Mickey Thompson, Hoosier Quick Time/Pro)
3. ** SB/BB NA (Only) may use any type of Radial or 28X10.5 non-w slick


(Rear Suspension – Stock Type Only w/Coil Over Okay)

1. Split Mono or Multi Leaf permitted - NO Half Leaf/Coil Over
2. Factory Length Torque Arm on 3rd/4th Generation F-body and GNX permitted
3. Rear Control arm mounting points + or - 1 inch
4. Slapper Bars/Cal Trac/Smith Trax/Slide-a-Links permitted
5. Mini Tubs/Tubs permitted
6. Shocks must be stand alone and may not be adjustable or monitored during run via electronic and/or other means. Electronic programmable shocks prohibited.

(Front suspension – Stock Type w/Coil Over Okay)

1. After market K member/sub frame okay
2. Use of spindle mount wheels prohibited

(General Specifications)

1. Mufflers required on all combinations
2. Lexan Permitted. Fiberglass Allowed: Hood, Rear Deck Lid, FR/RR Bumpers
3. Carbon fiber panels limited to hood only
4. Factory Style Dash/Interior
5. No Wheelie Bars
6. N/A combos are prohibited from using any type of Power Adder.
7. Each event winner must immediately pass a vehicle review/tech/weight check prior to returning to the pits and before receiving the event purse.

 

[Jeremy Glass]

basically no T6 flanged turbos

So i could just run a 106 billet with the new v band flange?