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Old 11-14-2018, 04:23 PM   #1
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Default newer high octane unleaded fuels

Just noticed VP has C20 non oxygenated, and oxygenated HP100, MS109E (is that ethanol based? I remember the original MS109 was some nasty stuff to breathe and didnt make as much power as q16 in a 11:1 NA motor) and Performance Unleaded

Which one would make most power in a NA setup and which in a nitrous/boosted setup and is it a gas based or ethanol blend that would require enriching??
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Old 11-14-2018, 04:28 PM   #2
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Oh and forgot about the Unleaded Extreme which the VP dealer here has but no info on VP site anymore other than 110 motor octane 111 research
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Old 11-15-2018, 07:49 PM   #3
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Default Re: newer high octane unleaded fuels

Renegade has RM-109 that is a 109 octane oxygenated fuel also.
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Old 11-16-2018, 06:29 PM   #4
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Weirdly...MS109 at MTBE a while back, then they changed to ETBE...then back to MTBE....

What was that all about ?

Some googling might suggest that could be part of the naming structure ? ie E does not containg MTBE.

Although the drums a friend got loaded with just stated MS109 in both cases. First batch were MTBE, with stickers to that effect, the second batch did not. It had a different part number, and the non MTBE stuff had a really pungent smell.
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Weirdly...MS109 at MTBE a while back, then they changed to ETBE...then back to MTBE....

What was that all about ?
Just seen this. But they actually make both.

Use of MTBE fuels are restricted in some states. But from what I remember and talking to the fuel blenders at work, it's a much better oxygenate than ethanol.
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:35 AM   #6
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So no one has any info on actualy using these fuels?
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:37 AM   #7
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Default Re: newer high octane unleaded fuels

I have been running MS109 in both of my bikes for 5+ years with zero issues
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Default Re: newer high octane unleaded fuels

Lot of bike guys run the ms109 it seems, its been around 10-15 years at least. I never liked the stuff myself, E85 made more power

Im mostly interested in the newer fuels
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So no one has any info on actualy using these fuels?
I haven't used any of the fuels listed, but I did run Shell URT Advanced at one point. They no longer sell it, but I think one of the unleaded Gulf fuels may be the same thing.

Overall, I liked the fuel. Plugs were a little hard to read, compared to leaded fuel.

My primary reason for switching to something else was convenience. A Sunoco dealer opened up a few miles from me.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:29 AM   #10
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Default Re: newer high octane unleaded fuels

With the Australian Federal Govt banning leaded racing fuels from 1st of July 2019, we have had Sunoco in the USA designing some Unleaded replacements for the current Leaded Fuels.

I can't speak for VP & ERC, but the Sunoco Fuels will be available worldwide, not just in Australia.
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Default Re: newer high octane unleaded fuels

No one has experience with these 110+ octane unleadeds?
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:09 PM   #12
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Default Re: newer high octane unleaded fuels

Why do you want to run unleaded fuel? Use what your engine likes.
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Old 03-20-2019, 11:46 PM   #13
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Default Re: newer high octane unleaded fuels

Well because its 2019, it runs with multiple oxygen sensors, and they dont like leaded fuel
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Old 03-22-2019, 10:19 PM   #14
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No one has experience with these 110+ octane unleadeds?
I've been using FUSE unleaded race fuel for 3 plus years. Hundreds of passes in the 8's and knocking on 7s now with the same motor.
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Whats the setup?

Which fuel do you use and what other fuel type have you compared it to if any?
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