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Old 07-29-2019, 11:03 PM   #1
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Hello,

I'm going to by my first trailer. My car is about 3609lbs, still a street car but I do need to trailer to to the shop(s) and other places once in a while and I also might trailer to the track if its really far.

I'm trying to choose between two 20' enclosed trailers. They are within $1000 of the same price. 1 is a 2007 model with 3500 axles and electric jack while the other is a 2015 model with 5000lb axles and no electric jack.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance!
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:13 PM   #2
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Hello,

I'm going to by my first trailer. My car is about 3609lbs, still a street car but I do need to trailer to to the shop(s) and other places once in a while and I also might trailer to the track if its really far.

I'm trying to choose between two 20' enclosed trailers. They are within $1000 of the same price. 1 is a 2007 model with 3500 axles and electric jack while the other is a 2015 model with 5000lb axles and no electric jack.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance!

Go with the 5200 pound axles. The 3500 pound axles are fine for an open trailer, but are not enough for an enclosed that is actually going to haul your car. Your car weight... plus the weight of the trailer itself will be right at the max load of the trailer with 3500 pound axles.

If possible... do yourself a favor and find a 24' trailer, with the larger axles. You can never have too much room. A 20' trailer will really limit what you can put in it... plus resale is terrible in comparison to a 24'.





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Hello,

I'm going to by my first trailer. My car is about 3609lbs, still a street car but I do need to trailer to to the shop(s) and other places once in a while and I also might trailer to the track if its really far.

I'm trying to choose between two 20' enclosed trailers. They are within $1000 of the same price. 1 is a 2007 model with 3500 axles and electric jack while the other is a 2015 model with 5000lb axles and no electric jack.

Thoughts? Thanks in advance!

Go with the 5200 pound axles. The 3500 pound axles are fine for an open trailer, but are not enough for an enclosed that is actually going to haul your car. Your car weight... plus the weight of the trailer itself will be right at the max load of the trailer with 3500 pound axles.

If possible... do yourself a favor and find a 24' trailer, with the larger axles. You can never have too much room. A 20' trailer will really limit what you can put in it... plus resale is terrible in comparison to a 24'.





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Thank you for the detailed response. Unfortunately I don't think my tow vehicle (2005 Expedition 4x4) couldn't handle the weight/length of the 24' enclosed trailer. 20 is probably borderline as its rated to 8900lbs. Unless you think otherwise?
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No way in hell would I use the 3500 for your car.
How much do you think an enclosed trailer weighs!!
Add in all the crap we bring to the track.

I use triple 6,000 and couldn't be happier with the extra capacity over being maxed out.
Piece of mind alone makes it a no brainer in my book.
Good luck, have fun & race safe.
You will love an enclosed!!!

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Thank you for the detailed response. Unfortunately I don't think my tow vehicle (2005 Expedition 4x4) couldn't handle the weight/length of the 24' enclosed trailer. 20 is probably borderline as its rated to 8900lbs. Unless you think otherwise?

I've found that a 24' trailer is typically only a couple of hundred pounds more than a 20'. Towing an enclosed trailer has way more to do with trying to pull a big box down the road than the weight. Try throwing up a 4' tall piece of plywood across the front of an open trailer and you'll see the drag compared to without the plywood. It's the drag that sucks much more than the weight... to a point anyway.

Most of the normal steel framed 20' - 24' trailers weigh in at around 3500 pounds depending on manufacturer.

Is your Expedition a 2500 series? V10 or diesel?

The bigger axle also give you the benefit of a bigger and better tire size. Most 3500 axle trailers run the same tires as an open trailer... 205/75-15's. They don't last long on an enclosed hauling even a sub 2500 pound race car inside.











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24' to 28' are your best value. I had a 20' trailer years ago. Big step up from an open trailer back then. I hauled an BBC Chevette and it worked out OK. 98" wheel base with 4' wheelie bars, no place for golf cart. Set back and think about where you want to be with that trailer in 5 years.

Also the 3500# axles usually come with 5 bolt pattern and 205 X 15" tires. They will be overloaded easily and have failures. 5200# axles come with 6 bolt and 225 x 15" tires. 16" are better still as far as reliability.

If money is tight, delay purchase and save some more money.
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Old 07-30-2019, 01:44 AM   #7
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No way in hell would I use the 3500 for your car.
How much do you think an enclosed trailer weighs!!
Add in all the crap we bring to the track.

I use triple 6,000 and couldn't be happier with the extra capacity over being maxed out.
Piece of mind alone makes it a no brainer in my book.
Good luck, have fun & race safe.
You will love an enclosed!!!

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I appreciate the advise and best wishes, I wish my tow vehicle could haul a trailer that long!


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I've found that a 24' trailer is typically only a couple of hundred pounds more than a 20'. Towing an enclosed trailer has way more to do with trying to pull a big box down the road than the weight. Try throwing up a 4' tall piece of plywood across the front of an open trailer and you'll see the drag compared to without the plywood. It's the drag that sucks much more than the weight... to a point anyway.

Most of the normal steel framed 20' - 24' trailers weigh in at around 3500 pounds depending on manufacturer.

Is your Expedition a 2500 series? V10 or diesel?

The bigger axle also give you the benefit of a bigger and better tire size. Most 3500 axle trailers run the same tires as an open trailer... 205/75-15's. They don't last long on an enclosed hauling even a sub 2500 pound race car inside.


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It's a Ford Expedition with the 5.4 3 valve rated at 8900lbs with the heavy duty towing package which it has. Makes sense about the 24', I think I'll start pricing them out. Thanks again!



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24' to 28' are your best value. I had a 20' trailer years ago. Big step up from an open trailer back then. I hauled an BBC Chevette and it worked out OK. 98" wheel base with 4' wheelie bars, no place for golf cart. Set back and think about where you want to be with that trailer in 5 years.

Also the 3500# axles usually come with 5 bolt pattern and 205 X 15" tires. They will be overloaded easily and have failures. 5200# axles come with 6 bolt and 225 x 15" tires. 16" are better still as far as reliability.

If money is tight, delay purchase and save some more money.

Very good points! I think I'm going to look for a 24' with 5200# axles. I am thinking about upgrading to a diesel in a few years anyway.


I'm glad I posted this thread. Thanks everyone!
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I wasn't suggesting a big ass trailer like mine.
I was talking about being at or near max capacity & being safer at 50-60-70% of max weight.


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I wasn't suggesting a big ass trailer like mine.
I was talking about being at or near max capacity & being safer at 50-60-70% of max weight.


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I gotcha! Thanks!
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do they even put #3500lbs axles under enclosed car trailers?
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do they even put #3500lbs axles under enclosed car trailers?

Enough where I had to ask the question!


Seriously though, I'd say at least half of the enclosed trailers I've looked at are 3500lb axles...
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do they even put #3500lbs axles under enclosed car trailers?

They shouldn't... but they do.

I have to believe it's to make the price as low as possible to bring buyers in. My friend had an older 24' Featherlite (steel) trailer with the 3500# axles. I hauled my then 2520 pound S-10 inside back and forth to Tennessee and Kentucky a couple of times a year for a couple of years. It would eat a tire about every other trip, and the tires were less than a year old. My old '06 Silverado 1500 with a 5.3 and 205K miles on it would pull the trailer fine. It just didn't like the hills. lol
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It's a Ford Expedition with the 5.4 3 valve rated at 8900lbs with the heavy duty towing package which it has. Makes sense about the 24', I think I'll start pricing them out. Thanks again!






Very good points! I think I'm going to look for a 24' with 5200# axles. I am thinking about upgrading to a diesel in a few years anyway.


I'm glad I posted this thread. Thanks everyone!


No problem at all. Glad to help.

I know you're going to be much happier in the long run with that over a 20' with 3500# axles.

Good luck on your search!
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406shark gave you some good info. 5200# axles are desirable, the will give more capacity and have larger brakes and bearings. Also, they usually come standard with a 225 15 tire vs. a 205 15 tire, load range D vs. load range C. The 24' trailer is much more in demand than a 20' trailer. Your tow vehicle probably wont know the difference.
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do they even put #3500lbs axles under enclosed car trailers?
My Pace 24 footer did, and I over loaded the hell out of it and had tire trouble regularly!!!
There was absolutely no room to upgrade to a better quality tire

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