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Old 12-10-2015, 08:55 AM   #121
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When I first built my 414 SBC, I ran it non-intercooled on E85... saw 291* IAT at the end of the 1/4 @ 22 psi with a single 91 mm. I put an Ebay A/A on, didn't re-adjust the boost controller for the pressure drop, went the same MPH with 3.5 psi less boost (I went 156.39 @ 20 psi non I/C went 155.85 @ 17 psi intercooled) and I haven't even started to add timing yet. IAT's at 120* but that was a chilly Friday night. My friends Mustang that I built was A/A intercooled and would only go to about 138* @ 18 psi in the 1/4 on a 95* day. We took the I/C off when we were doing some 1/8 mile N/T list style racing and had 235* IAT's and lost about 6 mph! We put an Ebay A/A back on, got the IAT's back in check but ran into electrical problems leading into trans problems, so no "real" data yet.

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Hard to find someone running 1/4 with something similar...Is there ANYONE running a twin BBC E-85 running 1/4....?



Check out Frank Sapornaro's thread in the builds section with the 67 Nova Wagon that ran Drag Week. 540 twin billet 83 mm B/W's on pump E85 non-intercooled W/meth injection. We run with him at Cecil in the Tri-State Top 10 List but never got a chance to talk to him about IAT's... Dunno if he updated that info in his post or not...
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Old 12-10-2015, 10:51 PM   #122
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I was reading the beginning of this thread which was started in 2011, I'm finding the exact opposite is true of a lot of the data given back then. If you take a look at my post above, the guys who are helping me out are telling me why I put 3 slugs in #8 within 7 passes, basically my 17* of timing @ 21 psi and 230-240 degree IAT's are all too much for pump E85. The last pass I made was with less timing (down from 22*) and more fuel, just pass the 800-900 ft. mark and the piston looked like something that came out of Three Mile Island unit 2 reactor... This IS one of the exact threads I read back in 2011-2012 when I built my car and decided to go E85 non-intercooled. This season, I put my friends car on E85, it was A/A intercooled, has been 128 in the 1/8th. A couple weeks ago for Cecil's Tri-State top 10 list, I took the I/C off, backed timing down from 22* to 16* fattened the AFR from 7.5 to 7.2 and we lost 9 mph and the plugs show a lot more heat!!! We have a new A/A coming and it will be back on Q16. My car will have a CXRacing A/W and on Q16. Last time I had my fuel filter off, it literally looked like baby puke was in it and had to change all the filter baskets in the injectors as there was this sticky substance all through the fuel system that reminded me of thinned out rubber cement, caught hell getting it off my hands afterwards... Just didn't have any good experiences with the E.
You have had bad luck taking intercooler off with E, but hellbents has had great luck, and actually has a decent bit of timing in his...? I run a little less timing on my e85 A/A intercooled stuff actually than he had. on 19 psi with my 5.3 I was only 14-15 degrees
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:30 PM   #123
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You have had bad luck taking intercooler off with E, but hellbents has had great luck, and actually has a decent bit of timing in his...? I run a little less timing on my e85 A/A intercooled stuff actually than he had. on 19 psi with my 5.3 I was only 14-15 degrees
I'm over 20*s way past 19 lbs.. Found a gas station today that sells e100 and am gonna go that route shortly..
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Old 12-10-2015, 11:43 PM   #124
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Yes. We'll sort of. I have a friend with a BBC twin promod 94's. It's non intercooled but on E98. Intake temps were below 200 degrees below 30 lbs boost I think it was. Once over 30 temps climbed rapidly. (If I remember correctly).

I'll try and get some specifics. Or see if he'll chime in

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Any info would be great. I'm at a point now that I go A/W IC (no room for A/A) or try non I/C and hope for no issues. I really do want to lug an aquarium around and more piping inside, Weight, cost, etc......anyway I appreciate any input

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Old 12-10-2015, 11:49 PM   #125
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When I first built my 414 SBC, I ran it non-intercooled on E85... saw 291* IAT at the end of the 1/4 @ 22 psi with a single 91 mm. I put an Ebay A/A on, didn't re-adjust the boost controller for the pressure drop, went the same MPH with 3.5 psi less boost (I went 156.39 @ 20 psi non I/C went 155.85 @ 17 psi intercooled) and I haven't even started to add timing yet. IAT's at 120* but that was a chilly Friday night. My friends Mustang that I built was A/A intercooled and would only go to about 138* @ 18 psi in the 1/4 on a 95* day. We took the I/C off when we were doing some 1/8 mile N/T list style racing and had 235* IAT's and lost about 6 mph! We put an Ebay A/A back on, got the IAT's back in check but ran into electrical problems leading into trans problems, so no "real" data yet.



Check out Frank Sapornaro's thread in the builds section with the 67 Nova Wagon that ran Drag Week. 540 twin billet 83 mm B/W's on pump E85 non-intercooled W/meth injection. We run with him at Cecil in the Tri-State Top 10 List but never got a chance to talk to him about IAT's... Dunno if he updated that info in his post or not...
I will try to find his build.....Thanks

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Old 12-11-2015, 12:57 AM   #126
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VP told me that C85 would not hold up well at 30psi and intake temps of 175-200. ??
I've ran 40psi with 230+ intake air temps with this fuel. I did have ALOT of water/methanol spraying in the engine though.
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Old 12-11-2015, 07:43 AM   #127
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Default Re: Anyone running Non Intercooled EFI turbo setup on e85

Teal94GT and others..

You have to consider the difference between a twin turbo setup like that with lots of compressor and turbine that may be operating in a much happier area of compressor map and turbine flow that might not be putting out that much heat, vs some of the setup that run with smaller single turbo setups maxed out for example

If youve got a 3000 hp capable setup and your running it at 2000 hp, everything can easily be kosher and any decent fuel can do that. If your leaning it over the edge though how does it like it?

I mean I know you can go 8.0s on a E85/intercooled S480 turbo setup at 3200# for example... can you still go 8.0s taking the intercooler off however?
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Old 12-12-2015, 05:29 PM   #128
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Teal94GT and others..

You have to consider the difference between a twin turbo setup like that with lots of compressor and turbine that may be operating in a much happier area of compressor map and turbine flow that might not be putting out that much heat, vs some of the setup that run with smaller single turbo setups maxed out for example

If youve got a 3000 hp capable setup and your running it at 2000 hp, everything can easily be kosher and any decent fuel can do that. If your leaning it over the edge though how does it like it?

I mean I know you can go 8.0s on a E85/intercooled S480 turbo setup at 3200# for example... can you still go 8.0s taking the intercooler off however?
I agree... just not sure how much I'm going to have to leave on the "Table" to be safe on tune.I'm hoping to find someone that runs E-85 and 1/4 with something similar to what I have to try to be competitive.....Guys I'm going up against are running 7.0's around 201MPH. I've got friends running mid 7's carbureted and no I/C with smaller cubes and smaller turbo's....I've searched everywhere just cant find anyone EFI with same set-up....ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Does anyone know who the fastest EFI 1/4 E-85 is....?

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Old 12-13-2015, 05:28 AM   #129
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Here is my latest setup. My own truck, JY 5.3l white snake cam, S78 non ic E85 pump fuel. Made over 650rwhp with a unlocked converter at 19psi. No track times yet though, but it does run pretty solid.
Like that truck...what year is it?what trans and converter?rear gear?what is rough weight of truck?You can pm me to not mess up thread any more than I did..
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:20 PM   #130
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i have been pondering a scheme, tell me if you guys think it will work. run a hose from the pressuer side of the fuel regulator to a nitrous(fuel) solenoid feeding a meth nozzle. have the noid open under boost. this way the e85 will have some time to pull heat out. very little weight added to car. will the pressure from the fuel system be enough to make a meth nozzle work?
Interested in this exact setup and this is the only information I could find. Has anyone done this?
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I ran all summer turbo 6.0 ls e85 non intercooled. I kept timing around 10 degrees over 15psi. I had some boost creep issues so it did go a bit over 21psi but I would let out before it got out of hand. I may creep the timing up this year and see what happens. No idea what the iat's were. Nor do I want to know. Lol.
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Old 01-20-2016, 01:43 PM   #133
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Bout to switch from a single to twins on my turbo LS fox and am thinking of going non intercooled and just putting a single dry nozzle in each turbo inlet and using a fuel solenoid activate at X psi.. Figure I'll start out with around 100 hp worth of fuel in each turbo..
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Bout to switch from a single to twins on my turbo LS fox and am thinking of going non intercooled and just putting a single dry nozzle in each turbo inlet and using a fuel solenoid activate at X psi.. Figure I'll start out with around 100 hp worth of fuel in each turbo..
I'd guess that would be hard to tune with 200hp worth of fuel dumped in all at once. A progressive controller would help alot. PWM contolled ECU could do it easy. OR one of the progressive alky pump controllers. OR some fuel injectors.

What are you using for a pump? What kind of pressure?
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Old 01-21-2016, 04:23 PM   #135
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I'd guess that would be hard to tune with 200hp worth of fuel dumped in all at once. A progressive controller would help alot. PWM contolled ECU could do it easy. OR one of the progressive alky pump controllers. OR some fuel injectors.

What are you using for a pump? What kind of pressure?
Just gonna tie into my current fuel system and yes it's gonna be fun with that amount of fuel but I wasn't planning on starting with that much.. I'll start small and work my way up.. I'll probably hit Rodney up first and see what kinda new products he's got in the works.. All the meth systems I've ran don't have enough pump but I've considered using a standalone n2o setup like nitrous outlet sells with the 255lph pumps and cranking the psi up and running it off a meth controller.. Lots of different ways to go and just gotta decide on which way..
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