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Old 02-12-2010, 09:42 PM   #61
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Didn't Shepard win an IHRA & NHRA Pro Stock Title in the same year once or twice? I know that their IHRA program gave them the "headstart" to when NHRA opened competition on the 500cid rule.

Yep. The Texas trio owned IHRA & NHRA Pro stock for a few years.


You have to think....what would Glidden have done if that Texas Trio with the Camaro never showed up to take 4 consecutive Titles and where would Pro Stock be if Glidden never came along....
Bob had a dinosaur to work with in the BOSS 429 at the beginning of the 500 inch era. But once he convinced Ford to get off their ass and get him some better heads, he became the "Man".
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Old 02-12-2010, 09:58 PM   #62
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Straight scoop on the weight breaks of 73..... Originally the break was 6.50lbs/per cubic inch for small cars. The hemis had to carry 6.70. Nicholson won Pomona and Gapp runnered up. Mopar won at Col's. Jenkins won E-town and Glidden won INDY and Gapp runnered up again. Gapp went on to win the World Finals at Amarillo. Ford was starting to own the class. Then the break for small cars went to 6.65 and 7.00 for the HEMI. Gapp won Ontario and then the breaks changed again. Fords went to 6.75 and the Vegas stayed at 6.65. Gainesville the changes were made again. The Vegas went to 6.70,the Fords were 6.80 and the HEMI was reduced to 6.90. Then everyone complained the short wheel base combinations were the fastest and the long wheelbase cars with a break of 6.45 didnt stand a chance to win! Then the class break for long wheelbase went to 105 and the Maverick was 104 and wasnt able to take advantage of the 6.45 break. Gapp and Roush figured they could run a 4-dr car and take advantage of the 6.45 break rather than the 6.80. That allowed them to lose 130 lbs. The 4-dr. Maverick ran 366 inch Cleveland. This killed the Camaros in the long wheel base deal. The best engine combination for them then was anywhere from 320-350 inches. Most long wheelbase cars had 110-120 wb. This made the Pinto the best car for the class. The rear wheels were a good 15 inches closer to the starting line and gave them a nice advantage. The Pinto had a 94 in. wheelbase vs the 109 Maverick Don hardy built the first Maverick for G&R. It was to be a 2-dr. car in the beginning. Gapp was so smart he used 8-10 lbs. of spray in foam placed in certain areas of the body to make it stronger for a couple reasons. That car was a trick ride for its time. Dont think it ever got to be used as a TAXI!
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:07 PM   #63
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Great info ^^^^^^ !!!
Beats all the bits and pieces I've heard over the years and then trying to remember it all. LOL !
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Old 02-13-2010, 12:00 AM   #64
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Here is some info on the early AMC effort in Pro stock, Dick Maskin started Dart after this.
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Rules in 1977 brought more changes to NHRA Pro Stock. Minimum wheelbase was now 92 inches, and the Arrows were legit. The Hemi remained the same at 6.85 over 105 inches and 7.00 under 105 inches, but the Cleveland small-block Fords got hit big-time to 7.10 inches and 7.20 inches. The AMC and Ford 429 was at 6.80 and 6.90, the Chevy small-block at 6.80 and 7.00, and the Chevy big-block was at 6.80 and 6.95. The best breaks were 6.60 and 6.70, respectively, given to Buick-Olds-Pontiac, Ford wedge, Ford Windsor small-block, and that little 340/360 Chrysler engine. At the same time, the W2 head program had finally come to pass and parts were available over the counter. Indeed, Herb McCandless had driven John Livingston's '71 'Cuda to two decisive IHRA Super Mods wins with just such a combination in late 1976.

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Old 02-13-2010, 12:47 AM   #65
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I sent this thread to a few guys who might just join in with some good info and stories. Ed Miller,Bill Stiles Gene Coard who was Ron Lyles crew chief,Sam Auxier Jr.,Dick Brannan, Dave Christie, Dave Koffel and a few others.
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Old 02-13-2010, 03:55 AM   #66
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from an email Ed Miller sent in reply to this post

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Hi Fred, I didn't see any pictures of my Cuda or the Duster on you web site. This is a picture of the first NHRA Pro Stock race in Pomona with the 68 Cuda & in 1971 with the Duster.

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Old 02-13-2010, 05:12 AM   #67
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This is turning into a great thread. See what you did George. Lets not forget Wally Booth in them AMC cars too. Maskin and Kanners was a bad ass ride. I have a pic of Ronnie Sox driving Ronald Lyles Colt.
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:46 AM   #68
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:58 AM   #69
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Remember being at Capitol Raceway one night when Dyno Don was there with his Pinto. Car was smokin a bit like a car with bad valve seals. He wasn't quick off the line that night, but the cars he raced that night said he flew by them on top end. Rumors were even going around about him having something hidden on the car, but nothing was found. One round he raced Wally Booth in the Gremlin X car and when Nicholson went by him the drivers door skin came off of Booths car. Just coincidence I'm sure, but it fit the term of having your doors blown off. Sure do miss those nights. We thought it was amazing back then when nitro Funny Cars were going in the high 6's, now the Pro Stockers are doing it. They have come a long way .
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Old 02-13-2010, 10:05 AM   #70
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Check out this site, has a ton of early Pro Stock pics.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/5497...axHx?start=108
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:16 AM   #71
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The way I look at it is just like the thread's title
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the Gremilns , the Pintos are not included in that first batch.
After mid 72 the entire class changed and that's an entirely different subject to me
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Old 02-13-2010, 12:01 PM   #72
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I really don't get to see any old P/S out here -guess they couldn't take the heat. What's the latest with the plan to establish a nostalgia ProStock Assoc.?
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Great pics/links/stories...I love the "ole time sh*t" for sure!!!
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Old 02-13-2010, 02:07 PM   #74
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It was a rachet shifter. One handle for upshift/you just pulled on it front to back to up shift. The other handle[lever] was for downshift. It went from rearward to front[?] The actual handles were wooden and were @ a 45* angle /one to the left[upshift] other to the right[downshift] Yes they were cool,As you can tell I had one in My 1968 Camaro gasser[Former Nitro Gasser Pro stock car-circa 1970
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:15 PM   #75
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As long as we're talking old P/S & their parts here, anyone know where I can get the specs or have one made (besides Hogan's) of an old style Hemi tunnel-ram like on S&M '70 cuda? Yes, I know they weren't espercially efficient and were specific to the engine it was run on, but if I can get an old one or its baseline specs I can build one of my own, at least a sheetmetal version......
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