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Old 05-06-2010, 11:42 PM   #46
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Here you go Mark I found my old thread I had on another site.

Ok I was having my motor assemblied and the guy was checking the clearences and thought they were not right.(Short block was done by one person and was having another guy assemblying the rest to be a running motor. He was the one who discovered this.) What do you think? Do you agree with him? Can you tell me what they should be?

Crank Main Bearing Clearance .0015"
Crank Rod Bearing Clearance .001"
Crank Rod Side Clearance .028"

Crank is PROBE CAST 3" Main, 2.31" Rod Journal, 3.85" Stroke
Rod is a PROBE Ultra light I beam 5.936", 2.311"
Block is 1974 Ford 351W
Right before I fired the guy we had this conversation:

Me: "Why did you use these clearances?"

Him: "Because that I what I got."

Me: "Are you an engine builder or just an assembler."

Him: "I'm an engine builder"

Me: "Cool....okay.....why did you use these clearances?"

Him: "Because that I what I got."

Me: "Are you an engine builder or just an assembler."

Him: "I'm an engine builder"

Me: "Cool....okay.....why did you use these clearances?"

Him: "Because that I what I got."

Me: "Are you an engine builder or just an assembler."

Him: "I'm an engine builder"

Me: "Get out of my office."


I don't think he's figured it out to this day........
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:15 AM   #47
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Certainly not trying to bash you or take up for the op.But,what kind of cranks and rods are in your'e rotating assembly's???American or Chinese?
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:26 AM   #48
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From back in those day I have seen engines with standard bearings and a .010 crank...I have seen them with the rod and main caps not torqued. One guy he hired sent out a years worth of Windsor strokers with the heads torqued to 75 instead of 105. I spent 100 grand fixing the damn things.

He refused to pay a guy a decent wage to build motors.

I find it's cheaper to pay the right guy. I don't have to be afraid to surface in public.

Someday ask me about him and his fucking Chinese oil pans.......but I'll probably get a little excited.......
Sorry,didn't quote you.What kind of cranks and rods do you use in your rotating assembly's?American or chink's?
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:44 AM   #49
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Sorry,didn't quote you.What kind of cranks and rods do you use in your rotating assembly's?American or chink's?

You can have whichever you are willing to pay for.
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:54 AM   #50
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You can have whichever you are willing to pay for.
That's fine.Break it down to a percentage for us.American vs. China.You bahshed your buddy for selling chink oil pans and you sell chink cranks and rods everyday of the week.Seriously,I don't want to pick a fight with you.What exactltly are u trying to say?
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:46 AM   #51
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I gotta say Mark and the guys (and woman) at Probe are all stand up guys. He helped me out not to long ago, above and beyond what I expected. Hell, he even took the time to bs with me at their office for a few minutes.
He puts himself out there and helps alot of people, when in reality he doesnt have to, but he does.
His products I have used have been top notch, and his customer service is top notch.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:05 AM   #52
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That's fine.Break it down to a percentage for us.American vs. China.You bahshed your buddy for selling chink oil pans and you sell chink cranks and rods everyday of the week.Seriously,I don't want to pick a fight with you.What exactltly are u trying to say?
What part of any of this is confusing to you? If you need a good high performance crank, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a crank cast of forged in China. And if you need an all-out crank for an all-out race engine, you can get cranks made in the U.S. It's all about budget and requirements. In either case, tolerances and clearences need to be checked prior to assembly. In 90+ % of the cases, cranks made in China are more than satisfactory and for the rest, break out the money tree 'cause you are gonna need it.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:53 AM   #53
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true, but not all companies r the same either i have had help from others in the past when i thought they would do nothing.
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:22 AM   #54
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Not only that I'm very opinionated.

For example...my opinion of you is that you are an idiot.
Thanks for the sigline

To have a relevant post here, I'm putting together a 327 SBF as we speak. It's the first engine I've put together in a couple of years, so it's safe to say I'm no engine builder. As of right now though, my rods and mains have the bearings in them, torqued down to spec, waiting on me to show up this morning and mic them. Wanna know why?

1) because it's what you're supposed to do.

2) my main & rod bearing along with piston rings were FIVE HUNDRED dollars.

I'm not about to slap this thing together only to smoke my $200 bearings in 12 miles. No way, Hose A. What's even better is, I spent all this money on good parts, for a street engine
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i have to say, ive used probe parts for a while... and beat the hell out of em!!! never a failure yet!! from the forged crank and rods, and the forged pistons. all great parts!! i had a customer on dragweek last year, made the complete trip, while buzzing his 347... 8250rpms everypass, according to the big stuff datalogger! oh, i did set the clearances up @.0025 on the mains, and .002 on the rods, he ran valvoline vr1 20-50w racing oil, and still running perfect!! thanks for a great product!!!
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I have never used the probe stuff but I would and not even worry about it. I have a friend that has a probe rotating assembly in a sfb with a procharger and he drives that car everywhere, he said when he took it apart to freshen it up it looked brand new. You don't buy shoes without trying them on to make sure that fit, so why put a motor together without checking the clearances.
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:14 PM   #57
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That's fine.Break it down to a percentage for us.American vs. China.You bahshed your buddy for selling chink oil pans and you sell chink cranks and rods everyday of the week.Seriously,I don't want to pick a fight with you.What exactltly are u trying to say?

Sure I do. And here is the difference.

100% of the "chink" oil pans either didn't fit or leaked....or both.

Cranks and rods......not so much.....so there you are. It's not where the stuff came from...it's the quality of the product.

Unless, of course, your xenophobic. My guess, from the "chink" part is that you are.




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Old 05-07-2010, 02:16 PM   #58
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true, but not all companies r the same either i have had help from others in the past when i thought they would do nothing.


Did you insult them when they were trying to help you?
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:26 PM   #59
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The best thing one Yellow Bullet is the idiots.

Since I like to air my laundry in public...here's michelob's PM to me....

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I didn't think u would reply to that with any intellegince!You come on here trying trying to scmooze everybody over with your bullshit.You sell nothing but chinese parts like everybody else,then post up like everybody else acting like you got the best shit.Nothing wrong with that,but don't put down other people for doing the the same shit!I already know 90.0% of what u sell is chinese.So call your buddy and apoligize!
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me:Hey fuck wad...I have to sleep too.

Go read the thread!
Let me explain business to you dipshit. If someone comes to me for a rotator that wants, and can afford, a Crower crank and rods with custom pistons....that's what he buys.

If what he can afford is a Chinese crank and rod and an off the shelf piston...that's what he buys.

This stuff is not driven by the companies that sell it....it's driven by the customers that buy it.


And as for you never, ever, attempt to ascertain another man's intelligence...it will just make you feel even more inadequate than you do now.


See...there's some advice for you....are we friends yet?


Oh and 80% of what I sell is pistons.....they are not Chinese.
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:49 PM   #60
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As always, the cream rises to the top in any internet argument.

Mark, how's it look up there?
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