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Old 07-19-2019, 09:07 AM   #16
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If I dead hook my car I loose all kinds of e.t. and I'm a slow car at 10.00.
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Old 07-19-2019, 10:52 AM   #17
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If I dead hook my car I loose all kinds of e.t. and I'm a slow car at 10.00.
That's because your clutch is drawing the engine down too quickly. Higher launch rpm + slower inertia draw rate = the engine holding more rpm after launch. Say an engine makes a flat 600ftlbs. If the clutch pulls that engine down to 4000 after a dead hook launch, then it's only making 457hp thru the low point of the bog. Raising the launch rpm and letting the clutch slip longer both help raise the bog rpm. Say you did both and that 600ftlb engine only gets pulled down to 5500 after a dead hook launch, now it's making 628hp thru the low point of the bog. That's a 171hp gain for that part of the pass.

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If I dead hook my car I loose all kinds of e.t. and I'm a slow car at 10.00.
Dead hook is no good.
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Dead hook is no good.
I know, this was in response weedburner and his idea. Stick cars love/ need some wheel speed to get moving.
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Old 07-19-2019, 12:56 PM   #20
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I know, this was in response weedburner and his idea. Stick cars love/ need some wheel speed to get moving.
Yeah, I’m with you. Black Magic FTW������

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I know, this was in response weedburner and his idea. Stick cars love/ need some wheel speed to get moving.
Not just an idea, lots of dead hooking stick cars already out there that don't bog or break parts. The key is being able to tune the clutch's hit separately from what's needed for down the track lockup.

Wheelspeed itself is a crutch stick cars have been using to help keep rpm up where they can make more power, automatic cars don't need it.

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I have ran both a clutch tamer and a soft loc/long style clutch (Black Magic) while the tamer worked ok for a short period of time. It ate up my twin disc clutch. Resulted in poor shifting. My first pass with the Black Magic. It shifted so fast clean and smooth. I actually let off and got back in it cause I thought I missed a gear. There is absolutely no comparison. I run a small tire 26x10 nitrous assisted SBF. Black Magic simply works better and made my car faster.
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Old 07-19-2019, 07:13 PM   #23
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I ran the clutch tamer through last season. It did what I needed it to do at the time, knocked the harsh off my diaphragm clutch and helped get the car going with knocking the tires off. The penalty is that I use the clutch on shifts, and the slip on gear changes cost ET and was hard on the clutch itself.

I am committed to street style stick shift racing, not the fastest, but it keeps me entertained. After seeing Cale’s stuff around, and finally talking to him I bought a 10” nexgen with custom flywheel to fit my 2.3 Ford.


Before the new clutch car was pretty much a 10.30 kind of deal with True Street set up, and went a 10.09 at the end of last year in mineshaft air on slicks (with the tamer backed off as far as I could).


My 4th pass this spring I equaled my previous best, and within the first month the car went into the 9’s and finally 9.82 ... this is still the same tuneup that went low 10’s, does it without spinning a tire and now goes straight as a string. I went from never touching an adjustable clutch to running new bests in under 10 passes. Clutch is reasonable and the tech support is priceless.


Best pass time slip https://photos.app.goo.gl/vFJxTwBaPcmT9YV57


My first stick race this season (runner up) - https://photos.app.goo.gl/MWqwga9jykEUesJF7


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I don’t regret going with an adjustable clutch, can’t believe I didn’t do it sooner, and support from Cale is priceless.
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I have ran both a clutch tamer and a soft loc/long style clutch (Black Magic) while the tamer worked ok for a short period of time. It ate up my twin disc clutch. Resulted in poor shifting. My first pass with the Black Magic. It shifted so fast clean and smooth. I actually let off and got back in it cause I thought I missed a gear. There is absolutely no comparison. I run a small tire 26x10 nitrous assisted SBF. Black Magic simply works better and made my car faster.
'Tamer doesn't really have much to do with shift quality, sounds like your comparison might be more about single vs twin?

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You say the "clutch crutch" is a band-aid setup that only works on launch? Fact is that band-aid launch actually sets you up for a better way of softening the shifts.

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'Tamer doesn't really have much to do with shift quality, sounds like your comparison might be more about single vs twin?

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Bob Meyers.....that sounds sweet and smooth!

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I'm in paint prison right now, but hope to get my setup on the track soon, Jim the 8s are coming. You, and I have been good friends for awhile, your 8s, and me just getting to the track would be awesome.
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Someone please school me on how to set up the suspension to get the tamer to plant the tire to “dead hook” without loosing 60 foot time. If you slowly release the clutch the suspension does not load. You are simply slowing the application of power to the tire and also to the track. The slow release of the clutch absorbs all the energy the suspension needs to plant the tire that transfers the power to the track and gets the car moving forward quickly and efficiently. More initial pressure applied to the tire by the suspension will force it into the track resulting in more traction allowing more power to be applied to the racetrack. To go quick you have to be able to apply the power to the track. At least that’s what has worked for me. If there is a better way please enlighten me.
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Bob Meyers.....that sounds sweet and smooth!

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Thanks, I can’t overstate how smooth it is now. Such a change, was used to letting the clutch out and grabbing a handful of steering wheel ... now it’s just straight and smooth. I’m still learning for sure, but it works

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Thanks, I canít overstate how smooth it is now. Such a change, was used to letting the clutch out and grabbing a handful of steering wheel ... now itís just straight and smooth. Iím still learning for sure, but it works

https://youtu.be/TA8campdiiY
looks good, it's nice when things start to work right!
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