: Diesel Powered Top Dragster " no Clowds of smoke here"


cOMP461
01-22-2014, 02:07 PM
The JE pistons and light weight pin.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/580885_409492512420619_1524249396_n.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/CIMG0011-1.jpg



tried my hand at a Dry sump oil pan
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/IMAG0150-4.jpg




the short block is together
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/Facebook/IMAG1127.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/Facebook/IMAG1128-1.jpg

Rebird
01-22-2014, 02:30 PM
Very cool!!

cOMP461
01-22-2014, 05:22 PM
running my pumps at 60% of normal speed for higher RPM's


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/420919_313442548692283_212116095491596_847107_2097 472135_n.jpg

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cOMP461
01-22-2014, 05:38 PM
the heads


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/duramax_flowbench20101.gif

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/IMAG0769.jpg




motor jegged in the car


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/newdragster3-1.jpg

cOMP461
01-24-2014, 12:34 AM
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/268580_215101135193092_5828755_n_zpsa4900526.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/321643_4709101721331_801180180_n_zps34bfb443.jpg

TerryH
01-25-2014, 12:50 AM
Super nice work!! That intake is beautiful!!!

Rebird
01-25-2014, 01:05 AM
Any idea what the motor will weigh? Looks killer

95GTSpeedDemon
01-25-2014, 01:07 AM
NICE

cOMP461
01-25-2014, 01:15 AM
Any idea what the motor will weigh? Looks killerno more then a BBC with iron heads . Both Brodix and Edelbrock are making heads from then now ,

cOMP461
01-25-2014, 01:20 AM
here is a front view of the motor


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/zpfile001_zps34336e43.jpg

here is another version for a street car



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cOMP461
01-25-2014, 01:24 AM
here is a picture of the car finished ,


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1slow346
02-09-2014, 06:42 AM
Wow that is awesome. Videos ASAP!

TerryH
02-09-2014, 11:30 AM
Wow that is awesome. Videos ASAP!

+1. Very, very cool!! Can't wait to see it run.

Hotrodvega
02-09-2014, 07:14 PM
Very SICK , great job.

Sting
02-10-2014, 09:29 AM
Finished? I don't see any headstuds/bolts or injector hold downs. Has it even ran yet?

cOMP461
02-10-2014, 11:04 AM
yes ,


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/1001956_10151674796194667_2098091559_n_zpsc19d50e4 .jpg



here is us doing MotorTrend TV


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/1260853_10200563024093909_958918872_n_zps81858e52. jpg

Diesel power
02-10-2014, 12:51 PM
Finished? I don't see any headstuds/bolts or injector hold downs. Has it even ran yet?


LOL :p Same pictures and storie's from 7 years ago...

RacinDuallie
02-15-2014, 06:36 PM
Good luck Greg.

These things take some time, life gets in the way and then the fire gets lit again.:cool:

I know the money I have wrapped into my tube truck- I could have bought a used P/M car and been out racing along time ago!!!!:(

Hopefully this loooong road will be worth it! :p

punisher66j
02-15-2014, 08:01 PM
Bad ass is all I have to say, I'd love to have a drag car with a cummins. What is this diesel motor based off of or out of?

STERLING351
02-16-2014, 06:33 PM
looks like either a 6.0 or 6.4 powerstroke but not 100% sure since ive mostly done stuff on 7.3's, i could be super wrong and it be a Duramax

LTE008
02-16-2014, 06:53 PM
I don't think it ran at Tulsa.

cOMP461
02-16-2014, 10:54 PM
it's a Chevy Duramax

Rodchucker
02-17-2014, 03:57 AM
Nice work mate.
It's cool to see something different.
How has it worked out for you?

STERLING351
02-18-2014, 10:57 AM
what did you use to control the engine? Stock computer?

cOMP461
02-18-2014, 11:54 AM
I use the stock LBZ ecm . its works great as a stand alone with EFI Live tuning.


here is the aluminum Reactor fly wheel , along with GRP rods and Fluidamper aluminum damper and JE pistons we took 57 lbs of rotation weight out of the motor

I don't believe in adding displacement when you can't feed it , so we destroke the crank. and stabilize the rotation assembly we cut the rod journal down to a hemi

I use a 1.156 Top fuel tool steel wrist pin

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/268724_217381888298350_212116095491596_570325_5052 630_n-2_zpsfabb764b.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/580885_409492512420619_1524249396_n.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/100_0213.jpg


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/DSCN1272.jpg

STERLING351
02-18-2014, 12:04 PM
Holy shit 57 pounds! I would love to build up my 7.3 but have more important projects. Damn those rods look solid as hell

ojh
02-18-2014, 12:32 PM
They let you use a 'stock' block in competition?

Argyle1970
02-18-2014, 12:37 PM
How wicked is this. Good luck.

cOMP461
02-18-2014, 12:49 PM
They let you use a 'stock' block in competition?
YES its good for about 1500 hp , and some have made 1900 hp , I use higher RPMS to get away from torque , I stall the convertor 5000

CN blocks has a great Aluminum block that is a BBC in every way except the dmax heads

Brodix makes a really good head for the Chevy Duramax . it flows 30 cfm more then the best ported stock heads out of the box. Jeremy Wagler is the guy to get the heads from.

sprayedenali
02-18-2014, 01:32 PM
probably a dumb question, but why isnt it intercooled?

RacinDuallie
02-18-2014, 01:37 PM
probably a dumb question, but why isnt it intercooled?Intercooler in a bottle- otherwise known as Nitrous:cool:

cOMP461
02-18-2014, 08:30 PM
Intercooler in a bottle- otherwise known as Nitrous:cool:

LOL, YES ,

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/newmanifold-3.jpg

cOMP461
02-18-2014, 08:52 PM
I use a Coan Mega glide with a Gearvendors overdrive and a coan mega convertor , stalling 5000 rpms

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/400502_2572329143352_1107968363_32102479_990963510 _n-1.jpg


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/100_1174.jpg

Fisher
02-18-2014, 09:36 PM
High 7 second indexes in your two classes, hope you do very well. My engine build runs in A E/A. He has a record holding 4 cyl engine in K/A, but i think that has changed now, they are building a new 4 cyl for that customer. I love comp, one of the most exciting classes to watch.

RacinDuallie
02-18-2014, 10:02 PM
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/400502_2572329143352_1107968363_32102479_990963510 _n-1.jpg




No floater ?????:smt089

cOMP461
02-18-2014, 10:07 PM
not . not really needed at this power level,

bjs344
02-18-2014, 10:56 PM
LOL, YES ,

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/newmanifold-3.jpg

I thought you said T/D?

gt347mustang
02-18-2014, 10:57 PM
Very interesting!

cOMP461
02-19-2014, 12:02 AM
I thought you said T/D?


yes I will be running NHRA and IHRA Top Dragster as well as the Diesel organization NADM

sprayedenali
02-19-2014, 11:16 AM
Intercooler in a bottle- otherwise known as Nitrous:cool:

ahh, didnt even think about that rail being nitrous!! told ya, dumb question!! haha

cOMP461
02-19-2014, 01:53 PM
the neat part about this is you get a turbo and nitrous. A few years Back when I was a Gale Bank Engineering I worked with NHRA to get Diesel engine in to Top Dragster and Top Sportsman . To do this we needed nitrous to eliminate . or reduce smoke. We also worked to get nitrous on Turbo diesels allowed in S ST , SG and SC


This motor will go anywhere a BBC will go , with the same bolt pattern and the weight is very similar to a cast iron BBC

the motors also have the ability to turn power up of down. my motor will make between 400 hp and 1400 hp with just the turn of a laptop

cOMP461
02-19-2014, 03:50 PM
here is the Mustang I talked my buddy Mike Wood owner of Nitrous Express in to doing with a Dmax engine it was clean, ran 9 flat 1/4 miles 205 mph in the texas mile , and he put close to 30,000 miles on it , getting over 35 mpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/NX%20Nitrous%20Express%20Dragster%20Comp461/DSCN0860.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/NX%20Nitrous%20Express%20Dragster%20Comp461/DSCN1580.jpg


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/NX%20Nitrous%20Express%20Dragster%20Comp461/DSC00065.jpg

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/NX%20Nitrous%20Express%20Dragster%20Comp461/DSC00081.jpg

cOMP461
02-19-2014, 03:58 PM
First Iím primarily a gas racer; I cut my racing teeth as a Competition Eliminator crew member, and racer. I get a woodie when I put my foot on the throttle of a 11,000 rpm small block.

I was stranded without an affordable and competitive engine program at the end 2001 season, after a fairly successfully 5 years of campaigning a D/ED with a Splayed valve V6. I stumbled in to the diesel performance world, and found it to be a new found passion.

The diesel engine development curve is where the gas world was 30 years ago. I speculated it would rapidly catch up, and itís coming along, there are a lot of innovators in the diesel community .
When I first started with diesels, mentioning cylinder head and cam development was laughed at. They stated that boost would overcome it all. 9 years later the shop that I begged to do my head, and build a sheet metal manifold has a 3 month waiting list to get a head and manifold.

So is the diesel engine as a viable power plant for a muscle car, bracket car, or even race car .
I donít mean the typical smoke belching engine, but well refined engine programs. The diesel engine has made huge gains in this arena with the advent of electronic common rail high pressure with 20,000 to 30,000 psi fuel systems.
With the CR systems you can tune around destructive peak cylinder pressure as the engine goes thru peak torque. The solution to this before, on mechanical fuel systems was to reduce compression ratio, killing low eng cylinder pressure, and this worked on all out engines, but killed bottom throttle response. These lack of bottom end, also effected the AR selection on turboís

The advent of cylinder heads that in effect doubled air flow (Cummins stock 144 CFM ) ( Duramax stock 140 CFM ) to both heads flowing close to 250 CFM on streetable heads and 300+ CFM on all out race heads. Now Brodex has heads that go even further

Cam design, which I made one of my pet projects, was way behind. The major player would grind BBF RV grinds on the Cummins 54.5 mm core, the events were to big , and with way to much overlap
Problems was the turbo diesel engine cores were on at best 102 to 106 LSA and the overlap was one of the greatest no noís on a diesel . The diesel engine has little scavenge with 1.2 to 1.5 boost to turbine inlet pressure ratioís . The tipical street cams would open the intake 10 ATDC and close at 2 or 3 ABDC . I use a cams that is 230 230 on a 116 in at 116 . and do it on 60 mm cores


So to the latest in Chevy Duramax engine for a street engine
First forget the huge injectors, twin pumps and compound turboís. A stock short block Duramax with a good cylinder head, and cams program will breathe well, and make 700 hp and 1200 ft lbs of torque, and rev to 5000+ rpms and last forever. The great part about doing the heads and cam, on an entry level engine is, that now this good breathing engine will make a good power curve at low boost levels. The great part is no need for an intercooler at this boost level. Just use Water injection on the street.

This engine in a muscle car will run good, smoke free, and get 40+ MPG on # 2 diesel fuel. Go ahead and put a good set of rods in the motor and the hp level is close to 1300 hp with nitrous, which doubles as an intercooler.

STERLING351
02-20-2014, 01:56 AM
Which version of the dmax is yours based off of? Which is the easiest to build?

cOMP461
02-20-2014, 12:40 PM
I use the LBZ ecm and use a stand alone wiring version. Ill give anyone the pin in pin out that wants it
I use Dan Clark at Dan's diesel to tune it with EFI live, He has the stand a lone worked out.


I am working on a magazine project when we use all stock Duramax parts to make a 600 hp 750 lbs 35 mpg engine that will work great in a muscle car with a 4L80 transmission.

diesel are no different than any gas build , its all about getting more air thru the long block. Heads ,cam's and turbo's.

Gone are the days of clouds of smoke, tunes right smoke is just lack of tuning or selection of the right parts.

STERLING351
02-20-2014, 01:26 PM
God that would be a hell of a street car. How much power are the rods and pistons good to stock? Sorry for all the questions im not up to date with all the new diesels

cOMP461
02-20-2014, 02:39 PM
the stock bottom end will make good power , if you tailor the torque curve . That is the incredible part of diesel Common Rail engine platform You can make exactly the torque you drive line will take.

imagine 700 ft of torque from 2000 rpms to 5000 rpms on stock bottom end

it does not take massive boost and fuel to do this , the stock fuel system with a minor modification will work.



in a muscle car install you could even get away with out an intercooler , by using boost reference water injection. Snow Boost Cooler does just that ..

cOMP461
02-21-2014, 08:40 PM
my wiring is getting better

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/539266_4309734396031_1596199183_n_zps054a6a2a.jpg


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/IMAG1347_zpsf8cd5b9a.jpg

cOMP461
02-22-2014, 01:06 PM
using a fuelabs diesel fuel system
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/IMAG1151-1_zpse12dd013.jpg

barszcz
02-22-2014, 02:39 PM
are you planning on running comp with the diesel dragster? if so, why put the delay box in there?

cOMP461
02-22-2014, 11:37 PM
running NHRA and IHRA top dragster and the diesel org NADM

with 1500 hp and weight or 1875 , its will be a player

cadpro
02-23-2014, 12:42 AM
Very cool build. Like seeing something different.

Question: why mount the turbos so far away from the collector? Visually everything looks good right behind the scoop, but I would think spool-time would be better down low right off the collector. Not an issue with the nitrous? Not bashing... just curious.

It will be nice to see a diesel run halfway decent. Most of the ones I've seen around here have to start power-braking from the burnout box, and put off so much smoke you can't actually see them run...

cOMP461
02-23-2014, 09:44 PM
Very cool build. Like seeing something different.

Question: why mount the turbos so far away from the collector? Visually everything looks good right behind the scoop, but I would think spool-time would be better down low right off the collector. Not an issue with the nitrous? Not bashing... just curious.

It will be nice to see a diesel run halfway decent. Most of the ones I've seen around here have to start power-braking from the burnout box, and put off so much smoke you can't actually see them run...



The headers were kind of a funny deal, we had thoughts of a blower and we were not on the same page, at $2500 , I wasnít going to scrap them. They will work fine.

The smoke is an issue, especially with the old mechanical injection pumps of the past. It would be like running a new EFI car as opposed to running a Q jest and fixed dual points distributor I call them tractor pullers with slicks, they can go fast , but with reaction time in seconds that are 100% noncompetitive in the sport of real drag racing . I explain that I could show up to a tractor pull with a bull dozer and pull the sled to the court house steps, but I could not truly compete in the sport of pulling.

We have tunes that help this ramp up quickly, and boost reference progressive nitrous that helps, and I stall this motor at 5000 rpms, It may smoke a little on the starting line, but run clean down the track.

cOMP461
02-23-2014, 09:52 PM
here is my fist diesel racer, we accomplished a lot of first with this truck. fist in the 9's first in the 8's and first diesel to race in NHRA national event category's , in Super
Street , super Gas and Super Comp

notice its fairly smoke free at the 60 foot clocks , with the wheels in the air


http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/REDLIGHTLAUNCHSMALL.jpg

Big Swole
02-23-2014, 09:57 PM
Lookin good Greg!!

cOMP461
03-11-2014, 12:40 AM
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa147/GREG560/th_VIDEO0004_11_zps2dd81e5c.jpg

http://s200.photobucket.com/user/GREG560/media/VIDEO0004_11_zps2dd81e5c.mp4.html

sigman
03-12-2014, 06:18 PM
That fucker sounds mean.

cOMP461
03-12-2014, 06:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ZrDUn31IA (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3 DF5ZrDUn31IA&h=bAQE8MMrG)

THE HOGG
06-25-2014, 05:16 PM
I saw that you use the lbz ecm. What block is best? Considering a dd truck project like this and trying to figure out what to shop for.

cOMP461
06-25-2014, 09:36 PM
The LBZ is better in my opinion, it only has to have one computer . I'm currently going a project for a magazine where we use all stock parts for a Muscle car. the goal is first 500 smoke free HP with 750 ft lbs torque. and to do this as simple as possible and get by with out an intercooler.

I have the stand a lone Pin in Pin Out for the LBZ and will give it to anyone that wants it . Its easy . I have a tuner that really knows how to work with this platform.

slow8.0
07-04-2014, 09:50 AM
Wow! I am impressed! I would love to do something like this someday.

THE HOGG
07-05-2014, 09:16 AM
Thank you.

cOMP461
10-08-2014, 01:31 AM
4.74 141 to the 1/8 4th pass

THE HOGG
10-17-2014, 05:02 PM
Great pass! !

texasoutlaw89
10-17-2014, 05:07 PM
Watching you and the cummins altered run at the Fall Nats was awesome. In super comp nonetheless lol

cOMP461
10-18-2014, 03:09 PM
was a run pass