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Old 11-12-2013, 10:16 AM   #46
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I don't.
Those that have lost their plans are SOL and there isn't much they can do about it (by law).

To change the law and 'fix' what they broke.....I do not believe there is time much less the technical BS the insurance companies would have to deal with.

They really have created a HUGE mess....the website is nuthin'.
As long as the people are not having to pay for it, it won't matter. All Obama needs to do is delay it and/or subsidize it long enough to get through the mid terms. That buys them 2 more years until 2016 which Obama will hand off the grenade to the next sucker.
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As long as the people are not having to pay for it, it won't matter. All Obama needs to do is delay it and/or subsidize it long enough to get through the mid terms. That buys them 2 more years until 2016 which Obama will hand off the grenade to the next sucker.
It matters to the people that are going to be paying for it. In the end, the Dems will pay a very high price for this fiasco. Never mind the obvious disaster. The slow, painfull recovery and the loss of trillions to the economy because of it will be Obama's legacy.
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As long as the people are not having to pay for it, it won't matter. All Obama needs to do is delay it and/or subsidize it long enough to get through the mid terms. That buys them 2 more years until 2016 which Obama will hand off the grenade to the next sucker.
everything will be fixed long before 2016, wishfull thinking on your part though. one thing about republicans is we can always count on you guys wishing for failure!
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everything will be fixed long before 2016, wishfull thinking on your part though. one thing about republicans is we can always count on you guys wishing for failure!
One thing about Democrats is we can always count on them to stick it to the hardworking taxpayers, while giving away free shit to the lazy asses standing around with their hands out.....
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everything will be fixed long before 2016, wishfull thinking on your part though. one thing about republicans is we can always count on you guys wishing for failure!
Define "fixed"
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Define "fixed"
hard for people to enroll into the program, when the site doesn't work properly. obama has already been on record saying if he knew there would have been these kind of problems with the site, he would have delayed the roll out. once the site is up and running, people will be able to shop for a policy that suits them and sign up. this is just for starters, there will be plenty of other tweaks that will happen to get the numbers we need to make it a great healthcare plan for everybody. the constant negativity and finger pointing by the right does nobody any good!
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hard for people to enroll into the program, when the site doesn't work properly. obama has already been on record saying if he knew there would have been these kind of problems with the site, he would have delayed the roll out. once the site is up and running, people will be able to shop for a policy that suits them and sign up. this is just for starters, there will be plenty of other tweaks that will happen to get the numbers we need to make it a great healthcare plan for everybody. the constant negativity and finger pointing by the right does nobody any good!
People aren't going to enroll into a program that they cannot afford in the first place. The only way this administration reaches their goal of sign ups is to subsidize the enrollees upon signing up. Its only path forward is through government entitlement compensation.
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hard for people to enroll into the program, when the site doesn't work properly. obama has already been on record saying if he knew there would have been these kind of problems with the site, he would have delayed the roll out. once the site is up and running, people will be able to shop for a policy that suits them and sign up. this is just for starters, there will be plenty of other tweaks that will happen to get the numbers we need to make it a great healthcare plan for everybody. the constant negativity and finger pointing by the right does nobody any good!
Neither will the product he created and shoved up America's ass.
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Old 11-13-2013, 02:59 PM   #54
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the reason why it will change:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ngressional-b/

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In just six weeks, Republicans have completely erased a 9-point deficit in a generic congressional ballot question and are now running even with Democrats.
Thirty-nine percent of registered voters say they would vote for a Democrat in their district — and the same percentage say they would vote for a Republican — if elections for the U.S. House of Representatives were held today, according to numbers from a Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday.
the big question is, should the Republicans let them off the hook ?

the average " low information" voter will forget who caused the problem in the first place if the Republicans get this fixed by March of 2014. By November of 2014 the average Low info voter will vote for the Dems again.

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in his case ignorance is indeed bliss.

what the hell has he been paying attention to the past 6 weeks ?
Lots of complicated shit I can't disclose. In all seriousness, I can;t do anything about Obamacare, except be ready.

Thats about it.
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Ignorance is a hell of an argument....
Its hyperbolic bullshit, I had a meeting with a DNC rep in our area a few weeks back, we all sat down and talked about the cost to business etc. Bottom line is, most of what is talked about at this point appears to be bullshit. I have also spoken with my tax attorney "cpa's are useless fucking trolls" and most of what we looked into will have a net zero effect financially on either business.

That said, I do not know or have a relative clue what the true economic fallout will be, but from where I sit, most people feel pretty good about the economy right now. So take that with a grain of salt.

and we grew 48% this year.

I got bigger problems to worry about then a few thousand dollars.
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:40 PM   #57
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.. one thing about republicans is we can always count on you guys wishing for failure!
One thing we can always count on you lefties for, is total ignorance.
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Its hyperbolic bullshit, I had a meeting with a DNC rep in our area a few weeks back, we all sat down and talked about the cost to business etc. Bottom line is, most of what is talked about at this point appears to be bullshit. I have also spoken with my tax attorney "cpa's are useless fucking trolls" and most of what we looked into will have a net zero effect financially on either business.

That said, I do not know or have a relative clue what the true economic fallout will be, but from where I sit, most people feel pretty good about the economy right now. So take that with a grain of salt.

and we grew 48% this year.

I got bigger problems to worry about then a few thousand dollars.

Read the fucking article. There is no hyperbole in it.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:31 PM   #59
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Special Prosecutor McCarthy who prosecuted the terrorists of the 93 Trade Center attack, said if Obama were a Healthcare Insurance CEO he would have been indicted for Fraud. This would be based on lying to a large group of Americans among other things.. In this case "if you like your healthcare you can keep it." Obama committed Fraud.
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One thing we can always count on you lefties for, is total ignorance.
Amen. Obama is in real trouble with Obamacare. Now we know he isn't capable of being president. Let's start the public outrage that will take down the gay one.
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