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Default SHOULD XDRL RACERS CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE XDRL ??? Should racers pull the plug ???

It is with great reservation I must ask at what point should race teams pull the plug on the XDRL ????

Before we answer this question I would like to disclose the following info.

A) I myself have only attended 1 XDRL Race

B) I have attended 1 ADRL Race

C) I have to the best of my ability promoted both ADRL & XDRL events.

D) In April of 2013 on this very same forum I suggested among other things that XDRL CONSIDER adding Outlaw 10.5 and a Radial Tire class & drop classes that overlap ADRL.

E) I David Hance have assisted, worked with and promoted both Pro Drag Radial class and Outlaw 10.5 class shoot out race in the ADRL. I Love these classes and volunteered my time. I have not received 1 penny for my efforts and love to help & assist.

F) LASTLY please know I have no ill will toward any XDRL Employees, race teams or supporters....I do have a problem with XDRL leadership.

Should race teams continue to support the XDRL SERIES when:

A) race teams have not been paid for multiple races ....why ??? Mr Keith Goolsby told me to my face at PRI show that XDRL had enough money in the bank to run series for entire year. He also told me racers would receive their checks at each event and that is also the written policy on the XDRL website. Based on non payment of prize money I must assume the XDRL has no reserves on hand ....

B) many racers and others have not been able to contact XDRL leadership...ignoring racers who support your series is awful.... Customer service gets an F.

C) XDRL released a press release today stating new bottled water company has come aboard as a sponsor....this press release was just another sign of trouble in that not one person listed their name in the press release !!! The "executive" team at the water company made a quote, no name. No person from the XDRL listed their name in the press release saying they were happy to have new sponsor ??? Was this done on purpose so that no one can be held accountable if this turns out to be deception by XDRL leadership ?? I'm told Jeff Mitchell is Tied into this new Bottled water company and this whole deal may be deception...look into this yourself and see what you find. To intentionally mislead the racing community with tainted/deceptive new sponsor stories is a slap in the face...somebody is pulling a fast one ....somebody defend our race teams and look into this !

D) LEADERSHIP ??? Does anybody know who is "in charge" at the XDRL ??? Is it Keith Goolsby ? Is it Jeff Mitchell ??? By all accounts I'm told Jeff Mitchell is currently in charge. Jeff if this the case why haven't you paid your racers their hard earned prize money ??? I'm told Jeff is a man with resources....if this is the case and he isn't paying money due then one must ask should such a person be supported ??? 2 years ago we did a race a Palm Beach, Florida. It rained most of the weekend. I lost almost $100k and had to run home and beg for cash to cover checks we had written...it was the right thing to do.

E) PROMOTIONS: I give the XDRL a failing grade in this area as I have not seen any evidence of XDRL race teams being promoted nor have I seen XDRL race events being promoted in an "effective manner". Have you ? The spectator count at an XDRL race is has been dismal. The XDRL has failed to bring in spectators and that is a failure in marketing, promotions and overall business plan.

F) TV PACKAGE: there was lots of talk about a professional TV package to cover the XDRL ....any body know what happened ???


In closing we have an association, the XDRL who

A) does not pay
B) does not promote
C) dismal car counts (bad biz plan)
D) does not return messages or communicate with race teams
E) has run out of $$ and has ownership not willing to cover shortages
F) leadership is unknown ? Who is in charge ??
G) has failed to bring in spectators
H) phantom TV package
I) 2 principal investors / owners have bailed out after. Just 3 months
J) XDRL has released press releases which are an insult to entire racing community by not attaching names to quotes. This blue bottled water deal needs to be investigated as rumor has it they already do business with Mr Mitchell ( does he truck this product ???) which leads me to believe this is not a new sponsor but a fill in scam to throw us all off the track but giving us false hope under the disguise of "new sponsorship".
K) XDRL has IGNORED all requests to list payout policy...plain disrespect there....

It is my opinion that the XDRL should disband and close up shop. I firmly believe the lies, the deceit, the hiding out of upper management & the failure of XDRL to pay basic obligations in a timely fashion should result in a vote of no confidence. The XDRL based on their RECORD over just THREE (3) months is dismal and NOT WORTHY OF CONTINUED SUPPORT FROM OUR PRO DOOR CAR TEAMS.

Further....I urge everyone in Drag Racing Media to take a long hard look at the allegations here, do some research and dam well report findings in an effort to PROTECT our sport.

In closing I understand many will not take heed to these warnings & suggestions. There are also many teams who just don't need the money and the overdue payments might not matter to you...I then appeal to you on principal and ask that you don't allow this to continue. I'm quite sure many will take offense to what is written here and it really saddens me to know I may lose friends over this....however I've struggled with this and could not remain silent any longer. Please know I posted my feelings here in the hopes of bringing better days to Pro Door Car Racing. It is 2am NY time & I gotta be on 7am train... Talk more tomorrow
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It is with great reservation I must ask at what point should race teams pull the plug on the XDRL ????

Before we answer this question I would like to disclose the following info.

A) I myself have only attended 1 XDRL Race

B) I have attended 1 ADRL Race

C) I have to the best of my ability promoted both ADRL & XDRL events.

D) In April of 2013 on this very same forum I suggested among other things that XDRL CONSIDER adding Outlaw 10.5 and a Radial Tire class & drop classes that overlap ADRL.

E) I David Hance have assisted, worked with and promoted both Pro Drag Radial class and Outlaw 10.5 class shoot out race in the ADRL. I Love these classes and volunteered my time. I have not received 1 penny for my efforts and love to help & assist.

F) LASTLY please know I have no ill will toward any XDRL Employees, race teams or supporters....I do have a problem with XDRL leadership.

Should race teams continue to support the XDRL SERIES when:

A) race teams have not been paid for multiple races ....why ??? Mr Keith Goolsby told me to my face at PRI show that XDRL had enough money in the bank to run series for entire year. He also told me racers would receive their checks at each event and that is also the written policy on the XDRL website. Based on non payment of prize money I must assume the XDRL has no reserves on hand ....

B) many racers and others have not been able to contact XDRL leadership...ignoring racers who support your series is awful.... Customer service gets an F.

C) XDRL released a press release today stating new bottled water company has come aboard as a sponsor....this press release was just another sign of trouble in that not one person listed their name in the press release !!! The "executive" team at the water company made a quote, no name. No person from the XDRL listed their name in the press release saying they were happy to have new sponsor ??? Was this done on purpose so that no one can be held accountable if this turns out to be deception by XDRL leadership ?? I'm told Jeff Mitchell is Tied into this new Bottled water company and this whole deal may be deception...look into this yourself and see what you find. To intentionally mislead the racing community with tainted/deceptive new sponsor stories is a slap in the face...somebody is pulling a fast one ....somebody defend our race teams and look into this !

D) LEADERSHIP ??? Does anybody know who is "in charge" at the XDRL ??? Is it Keith Goolsby ? Is it Jeff Mitchell ??? By all accounts I'm told Jeff Mitchell is currently in charge. Jeff if this the case why haven't you paid your racers their hard earned prize money ??? I'm told Jeff is a man with resources....if this is the case and he isn't paying money due then one must ask should such a person be supported ??? 2 years ago we did a race a Palm Beach, Florida. It rained most of the weekend. I lost almost $100k and had to run home and beg for cash to cover checks we had written...it was the right thing to do.

E) PROMOTIONS: I give the XDRL a failing grade in this area as I have not seen any evidence of XDRL race teams being promoted nor have I seen XDRL race events being promoted in an "effective manner". Have you ? The spectator count at an XDRL race is has been dismal. The XDRL has failed to bring in spectators and that is a failure in marketing, promotions and overall business plan.

F) TV PACKAGE: there was lots of talk about a professional TV package to cover the XDRL ....any body know what happened ???


In closing we have an association, the XDRL who

A) does not pay
B) does not promote
C) dismal car counts (bad biz plan)
D) does not return messages or communicate with race teams
E) has run out of $$ and has ownership not willing to cover shortages
F) leadership is unknown ? Who is in charge ??
G) has failed to bring in spectators
H) phantom TV package
I) 2 principal investors / owners have bailed out after. Just 3 months
J) XDRL has released press releases which are an insult to entire racing community by not attaching names to quotes. This blue bottled water deal needs to be investigated as rumor has it they already do business with Mr Mitchell ( does he truck this product ???) which leads me to believe this is not a new sponsor but a fill in scam to throw us all off the track but giving us false hope under the disguise of "new sponsorship".
K) XDRL has IGNORED all requests to list payout policy...plain disrespect there....

It is my opinion that the XDRL should disband and close up shop. I firmly believe the lies, the deceit, the hiding out of upper management & the failure of XDRL to pay basic obligations in a timely fashion should result in a vote of no confidence. The XDRL based on their RECORD over just THREE (3) months is dismal and NOT WORTHY OF CONTINUED SUPPORT FROM OUR PRO DOOR CAR TEAMS.

Further....I urge everyone in Drag Racing Media to take a long hard look at the allegations here, do some research and dam well report findings in an effort to PROTECT our sport.

In closing I understand many will not take heed to these warnings & suggestions. There are also many teams who just don't need the money and the overdue payments might not matter to you...I then appeal to you on principal and ask that you don't allow this to continue. I'm quite sure many will take offense to what is written here and it really saddens me to know I may lose friends over this....however I've struggled with this and could not remain silent any longer. Please know I posted my feelings here in the hopes of bringing better days to Pro Door Car Racing. It is 2am NY time & I gotta be on 7am train... Talk more tomorrow
wow,dang,holy shit,all sounds true and legit you are the man dave. it takes a big set to do this so they just might be hope for you yet it seems you just might have the balls to pilot a screw car someday.....................
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I have to say I can't disagree with anything Dave said and we were planning on running the screw blown corvette there but we just can't do it.
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Great post Dave. I am shocked they have gotten away with so much.
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Asleep at the wheel, thats what I see.... and AGAIN I SAY ----you have people over there incharge of things that they should not be !!! As a matter of fact they should have done a little research before putting people in the jobs they did, however you got to give credit on the guys that ALMOST ran the ADRL into the ground ,in being able to talk someone into paying them a huge salary to start another series . Talk is cheap ,results are the proof in the pudding.. The top management of the old ADRL ran it the same way as they are running the XDRL with the same results !!!
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Well written Dave, you are right, a person would be a fool to race in this series, pull the plug.


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I am not taking up for anyone, but after a little research the owners of Blue04 water is:

BLUEO4 ownership also includes seven-time NBA All-Star Tracy McGrady and current WWE superstar David Otunga, along with Shaquille O'Neal
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Please Know that several good people have parted Ways &
Resigned from the XDRL. Employees has had to deal with
Problems too. The fact is we after just one race the wheels
Started coming off. After 1 race problems occurred which tells
Many the "financing " that Mr Goolsby mentions in his season
Opening press release was in fact not present.

In the coming days XDRL states they will be making announcements.
Perhaps the following questions can be answered:

1) who owns the XDRL ?

2) who is responsible for payouts ?

3) who is in charge / management ?? What Are their experices ?

4) where will monies come from to pay overdue debts to both
Racers & staff ?

5) why should racers attend next event when it is clear to many the
XDRL has not been truthful and has mislead racing community as to
Their financial status. Folks I understand Jeff Mitchell & Keith Goolsby
May be nice guys who want to do right. I ask them both to shoot
Straight, be truthful and come clean. There is no shame in business
FAilure. As mentioned in my previous post I failed, I lost $100k, still
Paying for it and guess what ?? I had partners whom had no means
Of coming up with $$ owed. So we did what was necessary.

Mr Mitchell drag racing can NOT AFFORD to lose one soul. I urge you
To come clean, make the hard decisions and do NOT prolong the
Misery. Let us work together to settle open accounts. Lets work together
To make Pro Door Car racing better. Let us realize the current business
Plan has not and will not work and to continue down this road will
Cause more harm to all involved.

The very last question shall be: How can we shut it down ?

*** very sorry a out messed up typing and mis spelled words. I'm
Taking a summer class and I'm a sneaking these posts in while
Trying to not get caught. We need all need to step up and work
With our fellow XDRL friends to resolve problems. Let us
TODAY come up with something where WE ALL WIN by making
Pro door car racing better. Let us all, XDRL and adrl put our
Egos on the table and work something out todAy !!
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I am not taking up for anyone, but after a little research the owners of Blue04 water is:

BLUEO4 ownership also includes seven-time NBA All-Star Tracy McGrady and current WWE superstar David Otunga, along with Shaquille O'Neal
What does BLUE04 have to do with XDRL? Did I miss something along the way?
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I am not taking up for anyone, but after a little research the owners of Blue04 water is:

BLUEO4 ownership also includes seven-time NBA All-Star Tracy McGrady and current WWE superstar David Otunga, along with Shaquille O'Neal
Thank you LM for posting. Can you tell us how Mr Mitchell is
Involved with Blue04 ?? As I understand Mr Mitchell may be
A distributor of the product ? IF this is the case that in itself is
NOT a problem...we just need to understand the relationship.

Can anybody help figure out a points solution ?? If XDRL and
Adrl did work something out how could we merge both groups
Into points system ??? Could this be possible ? I urge the ADRL
and our ADRL racers to keep an open mind and open heart so
That we can restore pro door car racing to national prominence.

Not saying it can or ever will happen... But lets figure it out !

Mr Mitchell let's clean up this mess today so you and I can
Team up with many other teams to kick some ass At Memphis.
I believe XDRL pro teams can and will do damage.
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Below is MY opinion not speaking for the ADRL,just me.
The ADRL & XDRL arent going to merge IMO.
Why does the ADRL need the XDRL?
The ADRL as far as I know is doing fine.
Payments for Va were mailed out on the 29th day as promised (30 day).
I look for the Martin payments to be mailed out by 30 days.
As of Rockingham payments will be made at the track.
Car counts are good and most higher than they were in 2011 & 2012.
The rain forecast has hurt many/most of the races for not only the ADRL but all associations.

We/I get on here and Take the Heat for the ADRL and try to explain issues and repair them as well.
Where are the XDRL people at?
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Damn and my kids were so looking forward to seeing the XDRL at MIR next week, but I guess this has all but put a nail in the coffin of that race!

I Hope this can be worked out for the fan's sake as well as for the racers, for with out them there is no race anyway!
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