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Old 02-04-2013, 07:49 PM   #1
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I have a vangard non vented 5 brick propane gas heater. My wife is now on oxygen bedridden most of the time with her bed about 6 feet from heater. We have not used this heat yet only small electric heaters with the mild weather we have had. I know that oxygen with an open flame will produce a hotter fire.

My question is what do those of you do for heat that have someone on oxygen in the home? I have not bought any gas yet nor paid tank rental due to wating to find out which direction I need to go. Should I buy some better more efficient electric heaters or will it be safe enough to use the gas heat I have? With the unvented heater, it will use up some of the oxygen in the air that she needs. Although this old drafty house is not anywhere near airtight.
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:53 PM   #2
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Default Re: Gas heat with a person on oxygen

Wait, you intend on using a propane, non vented heater in a closed room? You got a big life insurance policy on the wife or something?
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Old 02-04-2013, 07:59 PM   #3
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Wow.

No you cannot use that heater, anywhere inside the house. Never mind in your bedroom, next to an open oxygen source.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:01 PM   #4
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Electric heater

http://www.delonghi.com/us_en/family/ceramic-heaters/
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:15 PM   #5
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Unlike the other assholes! ... Sorry to hear that.. Get a good electric blanket and some non slip slippers. This will help. Went through this with my Mom and there will be times nothing will warm her up except a good electric blanket. The slippers will help you be able to keep socks on her so she wont slip all over the place getting in and out of the bed as well.

Don't consider me an ass but if it's time start contacting the local hospice groups, they are a god send and even this tough guy needed them..

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When my mother was dying she was on oxygen. The hospice lady said that the oxygen would saturate her clothes and they would be extremely flammable. I don't know anything other than that.
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Man, that gas heater is going to use up some of the oxygen in the house and produce carbon monoxide! If she already has breathing problems, then that is all the more reason not to use it!
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Was just trying to get to the point. quickly. before ignition....
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:21 PM   #9
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Sorry to hear of your troubles, my neighbor going through this with his wife right now.


If you have, or you know someone who has, any Innovate wide band device, LM-1, LM-2, LC-1 or MTX-L, you can use it connected to a laptop running LogWorks with a virtual gauge on the screen and measure the percentage of O2 in your houseís interior air. You free-air calibrate it outside in fresh air and carry it in the house, if the oxygen percentage is less than the 20.9% of the outside fresh air it will show it on the virtual gauge. The hassle is lugging the 12V battery; I have some small 12V gel batteries. I have done this with my LM-1 and learned the basement of the house has less O2, only about 20.5% after several people have been there at once. You can measure the reduction in O2 in the breath you exhale with an Innovate WB because they display the Oxygen percentage from 20.9% down to .5λ (7.4/1 AFR). If you hold your breath a while, most people are abut 40/1 AFR, if you been drinking, 30/1, LOL.

If you free-air calibrate a WBO2 in a room where there is a space heater running it throws the accuracy way off and makes them act erratic.

I guarantee you a non-vented propane heater in a garage will burn the air down to less than 19% O2 in a short time unless there is a source of fresh air into the room.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:26 PM   #10
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BCR, I don't think the first couple replies have a clue to what type of heater you are talking about. He's not talking about a shop heater.....like a torpedo. Here is what he's referring to:
http://www.vanguardheaters.com/
Radiant infrared heater

I have no idea if they are safe to use around a patient using oxygen, but its certainly not going to explode...as the others are implying. They ARE intended for heating your home
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:35 PM   #11
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Ask your oxygen provider they should have all the information you need.
Older lady I use to work with was smoking while she was on oxygen. Guess she did it quiet awhile before she had a flash fire on her face.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:35 PM   #12
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Sorry to hear of your troubles, my neighbor going through this with his wife right now.


If you have, or you know someone who has, any Innovate wide band device, LM-1, LM-2, LC-1 or MTX-L, you can use it connected to a laptop running LogWorks with a virtual gauge on the screen and measure the percentage of O2 in your house’s interior air. You free-air calibrate it outside in fresh air and carry it in the house, if the oxygen percentage is less than the 20.9% of the outside fresh air it will show it on the virtual gauge. The hassle is lugging the 12V battery; I have some small 12V gel batteries. I have done this with my LM-1 and learned the basement of the house has less O2, only about 20.5% after several people have been there at once. You can measure the reduction in O2 in the breath you exhale with an Innovate WB because they display the Oxygen percentage from 20.9% down to .5λ (7.4/1 AFR). If you hold your breath a while, most people are abut 40/1 AFR, if you been drinking, 30/1, LOL.

If you free-air calibrate a WBO2 in a room where there is a space heater running it throws the accuracy way off and makes them act erratic.

I guarantee you a non-vented propane heater in a garage will burn the air down to less than 19% O2 in a short time unless there is a source of fresh air into the room.
Not saying you're wrong, but I think you're putting way too much thought into it.

Oxygen rich environment, flame producing heat source (vented or non-vented), short answer? No, don't do it.
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Old 02-04-2013, 08:58 PM   #13
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Not saying you're wrong, but I think you're putting way too much thought into it.

Oxygen rich environment, flame producing heat source (vented or non-vented), short answer? No, don't do it.
WTF?? I didnít say or even imply it was safe to run the heater. What I did was tell him (and you if you are intelligent enough to do it) how to actually measure the Oxygen content of his house. If you think that is ďway too much thoughtĒ, you probably donít think much about everything you do. If you donít realize the propane heater reduces the oxygen in a room then you donít get it so why donít you just STFU.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:00 PM   #14
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Most all the replys are what I was thinking. It has come time to renew the tank rental and buy some gas, so I was thinking of using this money to purchase some electric heaters. Main reason for considering the gas is #1, I already have it and #2, there are times that the power goes off here during ice storms etc for up to a week at a time. I do have small generators that I took to the track when I raced but they will only power a small heater. I am not going to chance the gas.

Thanks to the ones who expressed well wishes and I hope for the best with your loved ones.

Double s, thank you.
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