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Old 02-24-2012, 02:41 PM   #196
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Spot on! I tried to make this point earlier in the thread but obviously didn't. Infrastructure is real wealth to the country!

You made the point. Most didnt get it.
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:42 PM   #197
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it also has to do with perception of future events and how they affect supply and demand. Think Iran. We keep threatening them and they keep threatening to stop oil shipments or block the straights. If you are a business that depends on oil regardless of geopolitical concerns, you have to plan ahead...
Makes it kinda convenient if you are the business that profits from those higher prices...Makes one question whether or not those are nothing more than "excuses" to raise prices...
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:45 PM   #198
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Says Tony, unaware of the fact that the oil transported to the coasts will be sold overseas instead of in America by diverting oil in the current Keystone pipeline to Missouri.
Hey stupid.......Tony knows. He ALSO knows that oil comes from worldwide. Oil is also USED worldwide. The USE is increasing worldwide. So the infrastructure as a whole must INCREASE as well....it's a simple concept......unless you are stupid.

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Makes it kinda convenient if you are the business that profits from those higher prices...Makes one question whether or not those are nothing more than "excuses" to raise prices...
What if you are an airline company? Do you tell your customers that you had to cancel all your flights because you didn't plan ahead for your supply of fuel?

BTW, you can play the 'game' also instead of being a victim of it.
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What if you are an airline company?
The airlines are a HUGE user of refined oils. They live or die on prices. Do you think they would stand by and let their livelyhood fail if prices were determined by an "excuse"?

I cannot believe the ignorance in america today. Critical thought is almost totally absent.
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The airlines are a HUGE user of refined oils. They live or die on prices. Do you think they would stand by and let their livelyhood fail if prices were determined by an "excuse"?

I cannot believe the ignorance in america today. Critical thought is almost totally absent.
There's a LOT of ignorant in this thread......plenty of them are "big city folk" too........and they say us coonasses are backwoods backwards.......I'm glad these motherfuckers didn't build the world......I'd still be walking out in the back yard to take a shit and using fucking horse and buggy to get to work.........
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There's a LOT of ignorant in this thread......plenty of them are "big city folk" too........and they say us coonasses are backwoods backwards.......I'm glad these motherfuckers didn't build the world......I'd still be walking out in the back yard to take a shit and using fucking horse and buggy to get to work.........
Look at the positive Tony! If they had built the world, GoatTurd would have died a long time ago.
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The price, as expressed, would decline.

But...the dollar isn't going back up. If it does, Bernake will print enough to devalue it.

Read "Currency Wars" by James Rikards for an overview.
Book sense, and common sense are two different things Mark...You have always struck me as someone who had alot of common sense, yet you believe so many books...They are written in order to make profits, so they dont always have to be 100% factual...You seem to be believing more and more of the conspiracy theories these days...
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There's a LOT of ignorant in this thread......plenty of them are "big city folk" too........and they say us coonasses are backwoods backwards.......I'm glad these motherfuckers didn't build the world......I'd still be walking out in the back yard to take a shit and using fucking horse and buggy to get to work.........

I often laugh at people who predict the end of america when school funding cuts are discussed. They dont realize that this country was built by men who were educated, at best, in one-room schoolhouses with a chalkboard and a few books.
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Hey stupid.......Tony knows. He ALSO knows that oil comes from worldwide. Oil is also USED worldwide. The USE is increasing worldwide. So the infrastructure as a whole must INCREASE as well....it's a simple concept......unless you are stupid.

Stupid.
And Tony still ignores that the new Keystone pipeline will take oil from the old Keystone pipeline, which sells only inside the US right now, meaning you're contradicting your point with your support.

Tony also ignores that the stimulus package was precisely designed to rebuild the infrastructure BU$H cut to smithereens. Ah well, the open hypocrisy is still alive and well on YB.
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3:03 p.m. CST, February 14, 2012

U.S. gasoline demand fell last week as the retail price of the fuel rose across the nation, MasterCard said in its weekly SpendingPulse report on Tuesday.

Retail gasoline demand for the week fell 5.4 percent from a year ago while sliding 3.1 percent from the previous week, MasterCard said.

The average retail price for a gallon of gasoline rose 3.00 cents last week to $3.50, the data show. Last week's average pump price was 11.8 percent higher than the same week a year ago.

The report showed the four-week average U.S. demand fell for the 47th straight time last week, down 5.3 percent from a year earlier.
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Gas prices continue to surge, set records for this time of year

In spite of falling demand in the U.S., gasoline and crude oil prices continue to surge and set records, thanks to falling inventories and continued tensions between the West and Iran.

Crude oil topped $100 a barrel last week, and a shutdown of several oil refineries in the U.S. and the Virgin Islands has led to a decrease in inventories. Although demand is down to its lowest level in the U.S. since early 2000, it’s up in the rest of the world. As for Iran, several countries in Europe are cutting the amount of oil they import from Iran, which has responded by cutting its exports to those countries.

Nationally, regular unleaded has jumped by a nickel over the last week to $3.56 a gallon. In Delaware, regular is up a penny to $3.58. In South Jersey, regular went up four cents to $3.49 a gallon. Meanwhile, regular is down almost three cents over the last week to $3.53 a gallon. Gas is predicted to hit $4 a gallon by the middle of this spring.
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That report is US demand only.
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Wow.......I had given lots of you folks here more credit than this. The issue is not if the thing will lower the cost of anything....the issue is like I mentioned earlier, "energy" is a single pie....with every country taking a slice.....and with every passing year there are exponentially more countries developing into "advanced" civilizations.....the consumption rates are up every year and ere projected to double in the rate of increase over the next 40 years. This pipeline is INFRASTRUCTURE, plain and fucking simple.......

year production consumption
1980 59,420.56 59,901.24
1981 55,904.87 57,984.21
1982 53,312.60 56,698.07
1983 53,137.59 55,983.75
1984 54,379.94 57,416.28
1985 53,844.19 57,572.87
1986 56,075.61 58,847.35
1987 56,512.75 60,582.20
1988 58,588.86 62,630.45
1989 59,684.25 63,875.29
1990 60,399.38 64,273.00
1991 60,172.96 67,302.87
1992 60,105.87 67,604.18
1993 60,152.93 67,856.81
1994 58,734.29 69,329.94
1995 59,900.80 70,431.25
1996 61,216.15 72,149.09
1997 63,255.35 73,858.52
1998 64,402.00 74,304.50
1999 63,277.71 76,072.18
2000 66,234.08 76,963.45
2001 65,828.30 77,737.52
2002 64,839.12 78,328.50
2003 67,297.35 79,954.77
2004 70,581.96 82,718.90
2005 72,022.33 84,314.25
2006 71,895.89 85,396.49
2007 71,433.49 86,218.84
2008 72,217.16 85,605.94
2009 70,894.27 84,213.48

Can you imagine if California or New York had never taken initiative to pave roads??? This pipeline is proactive infrastructure development......nothing more, nothing less, and this proactive infrastructure is CRITICAL.......anyone not capable of absorbing that fact is pretty damn unaware of what goes on beyond their immediate surroundings and we'd all still be shitting in the woods if everyone was guilty of some of the backwards thinking in this thread....

I cant help it, I gotta ask a question here...How do you consume more than is produced? Now maybe there was more to the info that you copied and pasted that would've kept me from having to ask that question...But, since you didnt post it, I had to ask...
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