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Old 02-20-2012, 08:49 PM   #76
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Hi Quickbird...you hit it dead on in your first sentence. Thank you for your support on this forum and for a blower guy you are ok ! lol.
Haha, Thanks Dave.
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Old 02-20-2012, 08:50 PM   #77
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I recall you posting that Jim told you " when I get back on my feet I will square up with you " seems he's had a steady job for close to two years and has made no attempt to " square up ". For this very reason I have lost all respect for Jim Geese. Jim has no intentions of correcting the past and I look forward to the day Roger shows him the door. It will eventually happen..
BEETLE J---ACTUALLY , JIM geese made that statement to the general yellow bullet members--Racing Duallie? GEESE has not said one word to me, even when we were close enough to spit ,--- at the bankruptcy hearings . Well yeh, there was one slightly noisy exchange at the first cred. meeting. No matter ,-- there never was any intention to pay back--just leave town. He's toast. Takes Time.
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Bueller????????

Now thats funny.......... Bueller
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Has anyone bought a car through R2B2? Complete or otherwise since they started the chassis shop?
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My question is, he complains about losing HP and being a 1/10th behind now. Yet the turbo cars have what? 8-10mph on the blower cars, and MPH is STRICTLY HP... So if he could make the cars WORK like a blower car in the half track, he wouldn't be complaining. However, he knows HP doesn't win races(and neither does his poor driving ability) so he has to complain about the rules..
JMO, but that's a pretty dumb statement to make, don't ya think??

It's no secret that the turbo cars make a shit load more HP on the top-end than the blower and nitrous cars do, but they rely on that to become even, just like the nitrous guys rely on the first 1/8 to be even.

If he could make a turbo car go as quick as a nitrous/blower car down low, he'd be the most popular guy around. EVERY turbo guy is fighting to try and get their cars to leave better.......


If I could make my own gas, I wouldn't complain about the prices.........but is that reasonable to expect????
If I could make a jet pack, I wouldn't complain about traffic.......
See where I'm going with this??
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Burgess still trying to sue over the 481X?
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JMO, but that's a pretty dumb statement to make, don't ya think??

It's no secret that the turbo cars make a shit load more HP on the top-end than the blower and nitrous cars do, but they rely on that to become even, just like the nitrous guys rely on the first 1/8 to be even.

If he could make a turbo car go as quick as a nitrous/blower car down low, he'd be the most popular guy around. EVERY turbo guy is fighting to try and get their cars to leave better.......


If I could make my own gas, I wouldn't complain about the prices.........but is that reasonable to expect????
If I could make a jet pack, I wouldn't complain about traffic.......
See where I'm going with this??
Dumb statement? Not at all, he flat out said the rule change is going to cost him hp... Yet having 10mph over the whole class he has what, at least 3-400 hp over the other cars? Yet he is going to complain? The blower cars are running for all they are worth, there is no HP left on the table.

So you are saying it's ok for the rest of the class to leave the rules alone and let turbo cars have 10mph over the whole class? Why, because turbo cars are slow to the 330? That is not ok.
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for the guys that talk about Rogers business practices, I can promise you that you will find a majority and probably 90% plus multi million or billionairs that have screwed many people over along the way and they chalk that up to "just business" and they wake up each morning not thinking about it one bit. I hope one day if I ever make it to that level I didn't do it at anyone else expense because my father taught me better than that.

I totally agree with Joe, Jim can and should make it right with everyone he screwed over by at least offering free labor to finish the cars and I'm sure Roger would agree to that if he is any kind of business man at all.
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Dave, any idea if NHRA gave the blower cars back 20% what the cost would be to each team? I have always been told it's not just as simple as changing pulleys.. Any idea if it requires a new blower or not? If it requires a new blower what do they do with the old 15% stuff?
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Dave, any idea if NHRA gave the blower cars back 20% what the cost would be to each team? I have always been told it's not just as simple as changing pulleys.. Any idea if it requires a new blower or not? If it requires a new blower what do they do with the old 15% stuff?

I honestly can't say what it would cost blower teams to convert back to 20%...at a minimum it would require a new set of pulleys and a tune-up change. I'm sure most GSA teams have the 20% tune-up. My reasoning behind the 20% suggestion is this: in 2010 the blower guys were running very close to what the 2011 turbo cars were running...I feel giving the blower guys 20%, adding the 50lbs to the turbo cars (which is the case now) and reducing Nitrous weights by 50lbs would give us a solid 5.82 - 5.90 class but more important I feel under these circumstances any power adder would have the ability to win on any given Sunday.
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I honestly can't say what it would cost blower teams to convert back to 20%...at a minimum it would require a new set of pulleys and a tune-up change. I'm sure most GSA teams have the 20% tune-up. My reasoning behind the 20% suggestion is this: in 2010 the blower guys were running very close to what the 2011 turbo cars were running...I feel giving the blower guys 20%, adding the 50lbs to the turbo cars (which is the case now) and reducing Nitrous weights by 50lbs would give us a solid 5.82 - 5.90 class but more important I feel under these circumstances any power adder would have the ability to win on any given Sunday.
We need some blower guys input that has run the 15% over blower because I think it would take a whole new blower to run at 20% and I've been told that's 20 to 30K.
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Burgess still trying to sue over the 481X?
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for the guys that talk about Rogers business practices, I can promise you that you will find a majority and probably 90% plus multi million or billionairs that have screwed many people over along the way and they chalk that up to "just business" and they wake up each morning not thinking about it one bit. I hope one day if I ever make it to that level I didn't do it at anyone else expense because my father taught me better than that.

I totally agree with Joe, Jim can and should make it right with everyone he screwed over by at least offering free labor to finish the cars and I'm sure Roger would agree to that if he is any kind of business man at all.
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Bill ----I disagree that successful business owners "screw over" many people along the way. Jim GEESE ,THE EXCEPTION, is a failed business owner, due to his core values . Mr. Burgess could write a good book about business and values , and people that try to chop him up for hiring j. geese. ---and for wrecking some cars that HE PAID FOR! HE is a good man. - Joe Lemma PS.--AT LEAST OFFER "FREE" LABOR ? Jim Geese? ? I PAID $152,000.00 TO geese, and $$,$$$. to lawyers. ALSO --this worse deal of my life started May 2007, ---- Feb.2012 now and more to go. The"JIM GEESE IS TOAST PROJECT " is on track
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They would have to change pulleys, most likely change the inserts in the bottom and or top of the blower case to change the way it moves air. Some teams might require a cam and compression change as well.. But IMO it would be money well spent for the teams, because they wouldn't be murdering their engines every pass.
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Were it not for this website I would know nothing about VPRC or accusations brought against the owner.---Jim Geese from Telford Pa. -Failed vprc co.

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NOTE FROM DAVE HANCE----
3) Why hasn't Jim Geese made things right with his customers you ask ?? I cannot answer that question as I don't have that info. I hope and pray at some point somehow our brothers who are out money get taken care of....I have and will continue to work on getting something worked out and can't/won't make any promises.
Hello Dave , The Yellow Bullet member "B D COOMBS" , posted the best information about jim geese and the sale of assets (concealed from bankruptcy list) , ON PAGE 10 of "VANISHING POINT RACE CARS / VANISHING JIM Geese" .Thanks for your good intentions and effort , but Don't waste your time. Geese will never correct any problems he caused, or volunteer to pay anything. Note that I never indicated that Mr. Burgess has even 1% of responsibility for his employee's history and never thought that he should bother himself with it.----ALSO,-- I traded "hope & prayer" for " Cash & Lawyers" Joe Lemma
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