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Old 11-03-2011, 07:14 PM   #106
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Weird,ok so I charged the battery cause while I was trying to start it it was struggling,also removed the passenger seat again to check the wires to make sure I didn't pinch anything. Everything looked good,So i threw the charger on and ate dinner,come.back out,turn the key and it kind of kicked back,so I moved the dizzy and boom it fired up. Checked the timing,runs great. I also just moved the battery out back too when I moved my electronics,so Iam assuming low voltage at the battery now affects things worse as compared to before with all my electronics up front. Again sorry to high jack but thought this would be a good thread to post this in.
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:38 PM   #107
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Msd couldnt even beleive it' but we already had 2 start retard boxes go bad and cause alot of these same problems...Ran fine hooked straight to ign box...Msd said they have never seen this...I told them they could have seen the boxes i fixed.....
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Msd couldnt even beleive it' but we already had 2 start retard boxes go bad and cause alot of these same problems...Ran fine hooked straight to ign box...Msd said they have never seen this...I told them they could have seen the boxes i fixed.....
They kept my 3-stage retard box 3-4 weeks & tested it. Invoice said they ran it 8 hours at 4000 and found no problems.
Got it back - same crap.
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:53 PM   #109
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Hope you find your problem.
Did you run the floating ground?
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Old 11-04-2011, 06:02 AM   #110
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Yes,its fine now,I dunno what happened,I think the low battery voltage was playing havoc on me,lol. Runs like a champ!
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Oh my ground goes back to my battery,along with the main power wire.
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Oh my ground goes back to my battery,along with the main power wire.
This is good.

What size cable are you running from the battery to the starter?
And are are you running the same size ground cable from the batt to the block?
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They kept my 3-stage retard box 3-4 weeks & tested it. Invoice said they ran it 8 hours at 4000 and found no problems.
Got it back - same crap.
55, have you been able to solve your "missing" issue yet?
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Old 11-05-2011, 08:10 PM   #114
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so did you try a good coil yet. i still think that power tower has no place with a digi box. any blue hvc type coil can keep up just fine
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55, have you been able to solve your "missing" issue yet?
Yes & No --------- The missing seems to be going hand & hand with the retarding issue.

As it is right now, timing is locked at 36* Still retarding 5*-6* when throttled, still missing going down track.

Took it to "test & tune" last Tuesday night im Byram, MS. (track is only 500' long, but good for tuning)
Made 3 passes, all missing going down track, timing at 36*

5.33 @ 97 w/1.45 60'
5.32 @ 97 w/1.45 60'
5.31 @ 97 w/1.45 60'

Bumped timing up to 41* to compensate for 5* retard.
Went 5.27 @ 98mph w/1.422 60'. Never skipped a beat. This is the best 60' ever in this car.

Also, when timing was at 36* it was hard to crank, kicking back and laboring.
At 41* it starts no problem, never kicks back, doesnt labor, just spins over a split second and starts right up.

Im on a job in New Mexico right now. When I get home I got an "adapt-a-cap" and adjustable rotor cap for it to try.
Also gonna ckeck the green, purple, orange, & black ign wire relationships.
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so did you try a good coil yet. i still think that power tower has no place with a digi box. any blue hvc type coil can keep up just fine
Sorry --- I thought you were referring to "awake1630" with the yellow camaro.

No i havent tried another coil yet. But I didnt think my box was digital. I may be wrong. Its a 6AL2 with built in 2-step & rev limiter.
As far as I know, its not a digital box. Ill get on MSD's website and ck it out though.
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Old 11-06-2011, 01:42 PM   #117
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Sorry --- I thought you were referring to "awake1630" with the yellow camaro.

No i havent tried another coil yet. But I didnt think my box was digital. I may be wrong. Its a 6AL2 with built in 2-step & rev limiter.
As far as I know, its not a digital box. Ill get on MSD's website and ck it out though.
Yes a 6AL-2 is digital box.
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The 6AL-2 that I have has the rotary dials for 2-step and rev-limit.
Did see one on their web-site that was a "6AL-2 Digital" but it is diff from mine.
Are they both digital boxes?????
Cant remember, but I think it was a MSD tech that told me what coil to use with my box ???????
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pullthe tower off the coil. look for corrosion on the ground wrap at the bottom. yes the tower pulls out. i deff say its the coil oil filled round can coils just cant keep up with the newer boxes.
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