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Old 01-12-2011, 03:47 AM   #46
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Even if half asleep, why would you rack the slide and fire at something that's not there? I sleep pretty hard but if I'm awake enough to rack the slide I can't imagine that I would fire while looking at an open room with nothing in it that needed to be shot.

like I said I was in a dream sleep...I awoke during my dream and that dream had to do with someone trying to do bodily harm to me in my home..

it was weird and has never happened again...my eyes were closed..ever hear of sleep walkers..sorta the same thing
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Alarm. I set mine at night on instant alarm. If a contact is broke the alarms sounds. Plenty of time to be well armed and ready to handle the situation. Have cellular backup incase someone is smart enough to cut phone line. I at least feel safer and think it would end badly for anyone that stuck around.
Cut my phone line and the system automatically activates.
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None of my guns are locked up, BUT I have no children in the house. When kids come over I lock them up.

IF someone tried to get into my house they better be wearing head to toe body armour to get passed my 2 Dobermans.
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Old 01-12-2011, 11:13 AM   #51
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No I am going to stop and not contribute to the insanity. I just find it funny that someone who has never been in a gunfight or shot at anyone is trying to tell another person who has been in a gunfight how to act.

That's like someone who has never been in the military telling me how it should fighting wars or conduct of the military. I would more than likely tell them to go fuck themselves.
Ok then how about you fix your own "insanity" and tell me how being previously involved in a gunfight should have any effect on how should safely handle guns when not currently involved in one at the time. I guess you think just because you've been in a shootout with somebody before that automatically makes one an expert on the subject of safe handling of guns around the home and car. Do you even realize how stupid that sounds. That's about like saying just because somebody is a master engine builder that automatically makes them an expert trans builder too just because those two bolt together. If charlie wants to tell about how his gunfight went down, the mistakes he and the others involved made and what he learned from it I'm all ears for that but the fact that you've been involved in a gunfight before has no bearing whatsoever on how a gun should be safely stored and carried. And before you go jumping on me about the things I said to charlie, you might want to go read some of the posts after me telling the OP not to listen to charlie. There were more people agreeing with me than charlie by far.
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Do you have kids?

This and the "I'd rather clean up the mess" style comments lead me to believe you are the type that just want to shoot somebody and don't really care about protection!! I'd much rather scare a person off with an alarm than risk a fire fight in my house where my children sleep. They don't have steel lined walls in their rooms.

Don't bother spamming the thread with a billion butthurt comebacks again, because I am putting you on ignore. I really don't value your opinion on this matter and would find it hard to value it on any other subject on the forum either after these comments, so I feel I won't be missing much.

I really do appreciate everyone elses input. I googled the biometric safe that a1huntingsupply and frdboy talked about thinking the price would be something crazy but was surprised it was really affordable. I think that is the way I am going to go.
Suit yourself. Just make sure you listen to everything charlie says. You'll stay really safe.
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like I said I was in a dream sleep...I awoke during my dream and that dream had to do with someone trying to do bodily harm to me in my home..

it was weird and has never happened again...my eyes were closed..ever hear of sleep walkers..sorta the same thing
That's never happened to me but I understand what you're saying. I don't dream too much at all for some reason.
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Each individual has to decide what is safe, and what is right for themselves and their families. I don't like someone telling me how to run my house, no one else does either. Doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you've been in a gunfight. Where I live, we have a very small chance someone will break into our house, while we are at home. Just does not happen here, unless there are extenuating circumstances. Pretty good chance this would have never happened if the guy had just locked the door. Seems like the first, simplest step to keep people out of your house. A gun that is bought for personal protection, is absolutely no use if it's locked in a safe, period. If you choose to lock it in a safe, then you are at the mercy of anyone who tries to harm you, if you don't have enough time to get to the gun, bottom line. Might as well not own it in the first place. That said, there are obviously many responsibilities that go along with having a gun ready at all times to defend yourself. You either accept those responsibilities, and plan accordingly, or not. It's your choice.
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In on the good shot placement. On thing if you have kids you have to educate them on firearms from a young age, and show them the results of what a firearm can do. I work in law enforcement and my girls are young and dont even look at my weapons in my house. but rule of thumb keep out of their reach and you wont have any problems, but always keep them ready to protect you family. When my girls turn 5 this year they will start to come to the range with me and start shooting a .22. Remember get them involved and they will know right from wrong.
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Old 01-12-2011, 01:01 PM   #56
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A front door lock that is unlocked is just as good as an unloaded gun. Absophucking useless. If your defense plan for home invasion
includes a gun or a rifle, educate yourself about every aspect of that plan. How to properly store the gun. How to properly arm yourself. How to identify friend or foe. Knowing when to actually pull the trigger. Hopefully if the outcome is in your favor. What to do after the incident. God willing we all make it to that stage. There was a story and it could well be false, about a girl who wanted to surprise her parents after being away somewhere a while. So she hid in their closet.... and you can figure the rest. Just saying if shit hits the fan you have a responsibilty because you are the good guy. Finger off the trigger until target identified and then feed the hogs
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Each individual has to decide what is safe, and what is right for themselves and their families. I don't like someone telling me how to run my house, no one else does either. Doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you've been in a gunfight. Where I live, we have a very small chance someone will break into our house, while we are at home. Just does not happen here, unless there are extenuating circumstances. Pretty good chance this would have never happened if the guy had just locked the door. Seems like the first, simplest step to keep people out of your house. A gun that is bought for personal protection, is absolutely no use if it's locked in a safe, period. If you choose to lock it in a safe, then you are at the mercy of anyone who tries to harm you, if you don't have enough time to get to the gun, bottom line. Might as well not own it in the first place. That said, there are obviously many responsibilities that go along with having a gun ready at all times to defend yourself. You either accept those responsibilities, and plan accordingly, or not. It's your choice.
Whether you know it or not, thank you for agreeing with almost everything I've said in this thread so far. This is not like you. Are you feeling ok?
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Ok then how about you fix your own "insanity" and tell me how being previously involved in a gunfight should have any effect on how should safely handle guns when not currently involved in one at the time. I guess you think just because you've been in a shootout with somebody before that automatically makes one an expert on the subject of safe handling of guns around the home and car. Do you even realize how stupid that sounds. That's about like saying just because somebody is a master engine builder that automatically makes them an expert trans builder too just because those two bolt together. If charlie wants to tell about how his gunfight went down, the mistakes he and the others involved made and what he learned from it I'm all ears for that but the fact that you've been involved in a gunfight before has no bearing whatsoever on how a gun should be safely stored and carried. And before you go jumping on me about the things I said to charlie, you might want to go read some of the posts after me telling the OP not to listen to charlie. There were more people agreeing with me than charlie by far.
Well I went back and read the whole thread again. I don't see no one but a few even remotely saying anything that agrees with your assessment.

But we all know, you will come up with some more off the wall shit, and say "that's not what I said, or I have a reading comprehension problem"
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First off I don't know the people involved, just the crap I got from the news and gossip but it did happen just up the street from me.

Saturday night at midnight, a shithead walked through this guys unlocked front door. He and his wife were sleeping (don't know if on the couch, in their chairs, or bedroom) and started beating them with a chair! Somehow the homeowner got a gun and shot the shithead and himself during the struggle (non life threatening). The shithead made it out the door and died on the front yard.

The shithead was a neighbor that has been suspected in several unsuccessful burglaries and just recently moved back on the street. The shitheads wife is saying that he's mentally ill and was probably just going to their house for help! Other neighbors are saying he was drunk and went to the wrong house. Either way, he wasn't invited in and their was obviously a struggle and the homeowner felt threatened in his own house and did what he had to do.

It got me thinking though. What if a drunkguy/mentally unstable/burglar came in my house undetected while I slept and started beating the shit out of me with something? Would I be able to get to my gun? I keep my gun in the closet, with the magazine next to it, same with the shotgun. Sure, I lock my doors so it wouldn't be as quiet as what happened to this guy but what if I had the fan on and didn't hear it or some shit.

My problem lies with my kids. I have a 3 year old and a 4 month old. I can't have guns accessible. He doesn't play or come into our room unsupervised, but I can't trust him enough to keep a gun in a drawer or next to the bed. I can't even trust him to tell me he has to poop!! I've thought about one of the holsters that slip into the mattress and just put the gun away when we wake up, but sometimes he gets up in the night and comes in our room.

The only thing that comes to my mind is fortification!! What kind of things are you guys with kids doing for access to your weapons?

Theres a simple solution. Layer your protection strategy for your home. Make sure that you're alerted when the person breaches the first layer, but that he still has layers to go through before he makes it into where you are. Don't think of your home defense strategy as simply one plan. Think of it as a bunch of plans, one within the other, designed to alert you and slow the intruder while you ready your defense.
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Theres a simple solution. Layer your protection strategy for your home. Make sure that you're alerted when the person breaches the first layer, but that he still has layers to go through before he makes it into where you are. Don't think of your home defense strategy as simply one plan. Think of it as a bunch of plans, one within the other, designed to alert you and slow the intruder while you ready your defense.
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