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Old 07-23-2010, 10:12 PM   #106
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If those combination's are not running with the fastest cars in the class weighing only 3150 lbs there will be something very, very wrong........
Well Ben, show me a car other than Butchs, who is optimized to a theoretical capability?

Not Alans.
Not Van's.
Is yours? I doubt it.
Not anyone other than butch who shows up at Milan.

I don't know about Glassfords, but Dave will be there with a bracket race stock gear TH400 and a 9 inch converter. So maybe he shouldn't get a weight break since he's not optimized... I guess I'm just not grasping your point in that post.
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And i cant believe i am the one who seems to get called the "crybaby" when NEVER/EVER has a weight break come my way???
1. Nostagic body (Chevy II)
2. Stock Suspension (Mustang).
In your defense, you've got hit with weight because of your performance. But, like anything, its a two way street.

I dont see the problem here, you show up to 2 races and qualify 2 and 3 and your shit isnt competitive? You went to the final in one then went red, then dq'd at the second. What the hell does this have to do with a small block??? Engine, weight, suspension or body style has nothing do with either of those situations.
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Whether the SB's still need a break or not I am not going to comment on but don't be hating on the conventional BB's just because they got a much deserved break.

Even with a 150# break for conventional heads, you wont see one run away with the class when unconventional BB's with unlimited cubes that make an easy 200hp+ more are only 150lbs heavier. I think this was a move in the right direction to bring at least the BB's closer together and to bring out a few more conventional BBs out that were sitting on the sidelines previously.

As a note, I will now have to weigh exactly the same as I do at OSCA.

I am going to do my best to make it out to one of the remaining races this season although the last two conflict with the YB Nationals and Shakedown at ETown.
Matt hope to see your car out @ Milan, it looks like a bad MF'er.

On a side not from all the other comments in this thread, with a Conv. Big block, cars have to be able to get down to the minimum weight. I know i cannot get my car down there unless I redo the car or buy all fiberglass pieces for it. I know that's not going to happen. Yes some guys will show up and have that to their advantage, but some guy will show up with a purpose built small block and have that to their advantage as well.
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:31 PM   #109
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I dont see the problem here, you show up to 2 races and qualify 2 and 3 and your shit isnt competitive? You went to the final in one then went red, then dq'd at the second. What the hell does this have to do with a small block??? Engine, weight, suspension or body style has nothing do with either of those situations.
I was thinking the same thing early. Makes it to the final in the first race, qualifies 2 or 3, and now don't want to race because he is not competitive. Ok.
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LMFAO...........THIS CIRCUS IS GONNA NEED A BIGGER TENT!!!!
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Anything is possible Jason.....but I wouldnt be worried about a BES 525 conventional headed deal as a 632 or 663 BES conventional headed deal.

Thats the problem, many people look at the big picture - how many places they can race......while others focus on one race, one track and build a car to fit it.
was just a example of a car built to run nmca rules and also fit milan and canada rules.
if i had a tall deck laying around i would have a 632 conventional headed motor
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Oh yeah, my point? PEOPLE and their expectations have changed in this class. That's all.
the only thing different between me and you right now is
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^^^^^^ Ouch!!
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LMFAO...........THIS CIRCUS IS GONNA NEED A BIGGER TENT!!!!
Now that's funny. LOL
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^^^^^^ Ouch!!
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I was thinking the same thing early. Makes it to the final in the first race, qualifies 2 or 3, and now don't want to race because he is not competitive. Ok.
Exactly, because neither of you guys understand.Chris explained it in a post above.
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Well Ben, show me a car other than Butchs, who is optimized to a theoretical capability?

Not Alans.
Not Van's.
Is yours? I doubt it.
Not anyone other than butch who shows up at Milan.

I don't know about Glassfords, but Dave will be there with a bracket race stock gear TH400 and a 9 inch converter. So maybe he shouldn't get a weight break since he's not optimized... I guess I'm just not grasping your point in that post.
This post. Or maybe Chris doesn't know what hes talking about either.
Let me try to explain.
You have two guys running a 400m sprint:
1 guy is 6'4" 185lbs and in the best shape of his life running with the best shoes made.
the other guy is 5'8" kinda overweight and running with work boots on..........................but they both make it to the finish line at the same time.
So........is the tall guy slower than he should be or the short guy faster than he should be???
Is that fair??? well maybe if running the same rules.....but we have 2 different weights to run at.
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How about comparing either to a 900 or 1000 HP (?) small block that weighs 2900 lbs? I would then say "both".
Nobody can logically answer that question Ben.....because someone might be competitive with a sb, they all think everything is ok??
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CLOWNS!!!!!!!!!!!

So much drama. WHY?

You think Milan likes it? NO!

Allmotor could end up like TT5 = GONE!!!
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