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Old 05-20-2010, 06:51 PM   #91
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Fundamentally Butch, I agree with you from the standpoint that it won't require very many line items for rules to shore things up a bit.
If it's that simple... lets hear it.

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The only problem in the A/M application is the analog box can help even things up at the bottom of the track but there's still a ton of room for a small few with deep pockets to run ~10 MPH faster than everyone else.
How exactly you figure it evens the bottom? The top is where we're using the digital's benefits.

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Bottom line from my end is instead of trying to make guys like you or Alan bend over backwards it'd be better to start a fresh class that has a lot of consideration placed into it from the beginning so the folks with less discretionary funding can race & not feel hopeless.
Sounds like Comp.


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This same approach has done well in other racing activities where the discrepancies in raw engine HP from highest to lowest are huge but other class requirements actually can make the big power become a detriment. Results vary but in general it winds up generating bigger car counts, more participation, etc. etc. etc.
Care to share what/where those "other racing activities" are?
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I can't wait for the next race! Only 15 days away
Load your stuff up and come to grand bend saturday morning.
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sounds like you're running full timing from start to finish...
Sounds like you have my combination all figured out.
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Or hide? You guys are making too much out of this. I told my coach in Little League that giving everyone a trophy would cause a problem some day...........
Aint that the truth.
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Old 05-20-2010, 08:28 PM   #96
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When then its simple.....
Buy a piece of land, build a track, take all the time you want to come up with a set of rules, promote it, find racers and Whaalaaa!
You have exactly what you want.

In the mean time, we'll be racing. See ya dude!
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Don't throw attitude at me dude. I'm trying to help you guys, not myself. I don't have any interest whatsoever in drag racing a car so don't make the mistake of thinking that I'm trying to build a class for my own benefit. What I am trying to do is pose some ideas that can lead to a class that takes care of anxieties about the existing class.

Likewise, I've worked with this stuff for non-drag strip racing and I know what it does - I'm not just guessing.


Rather than turning the thread into a testosterone contest, please clearly state the reasons why you think what I am proposing would not be enough without resorting to pumping the top-5 for CID and all of that.

I know how long that takes and I'm pretty sure the tech guys & competitors would rather not have to hang around for the extra hour & a half to screw with getting the equipment out, getting the cars ready, pumping each one twice because there will certainly be arguments, and so forth.
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If it's that simple... lets hear it.
Did you catch the part I mentioned repeatedly on an exhaust outlet restriction? What do you think that's going to do, besides only allow a given amount of air through it no matter what? Couple that with a hard compound tire at 9" tread width and an analog box that doesn't lend itself well to slew rate control for timing plus rules that forbid cut up & refabed intakes, aluminum blocks, cross-breading Mopar intakes to Chevy or Ford intakes to LSx with set weights for small & big blocks and you're off to a pretty good start.

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How exactly you figure it evens the bottom? The top is where we're using the digital's benefits.
Excuse me for assuming there's some timing ramp strategies in this game. That's what the digital boxes were being used for in limited DOT tire oval track classes and that's why they banned them.

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Sounds like Comp.
Completely agree and that doesn't necessarily agree with the initial intent of the class, according to Chris U's earlier post.


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Care to share what/where those "other racing activities" are?
Here are some:

http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...56402&FS=SCORE

http://www.danbaudouxmotorsports.com/career.htm

http://www.motorsport.com/news/artic...199900&F=N

http://www.rodwellsmotorsports.com/

http://mitchdorr.com/

http://www.fordracing.com/news/detail/?article=23170 look for names Kleiman and Baudoux

http://www.speednetdirect.com/news.php?id=3106

http://racingroadtrip.com/trips/kzoo_9-20-03/index.html
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You guys are thinking way too hard......................its as simple as disallowing digital ignition boxes......????????how hard is that to change??
You would love that--you know the torque of a BB cant be managed without it. Everyone would run a SB then.
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Do you honestly think a weight to cube would help you? You run a 565, correct? I guarntee you your stuff is no where near as efficent as the small blocks! You gonna run at 3550-3600lbs against 2800lb efficent small blocks?

Butch went 6 tenths faster than your Camaro. With a weight to cube, your car would only get heavier. You would need to pull 2.2-2.3 per cube to keep up. His car is already at a weight to cube type weight.
It really isnt for Me to say what the class should be--and I really dont have enough knowledge. But Butch didnt run 6 tenths faster than My Nitrous combo ran on Motor, unless he ran 7.90????
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When then its simple.....
Buy a piece of land, build a track, take all the time you want to come up with a set of rules, promote it, find racers and Whaalaaa!
You have exactly what you want.

In the mean time, we'll be racing. See ya dude!
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Or hide? You guys are making too much out of this. I told my coach in Little League that giving everyone a trophy would cause a problem some day...........
Truth if there ever was one. We all want to win, but it aint everything!
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Old 05-20-2010, 09:28 PM   #104
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Seems to be alot of complaining from those who can't compete. The answer is make your cars faster or stay in the bleachers (like me) and enjoy the great show these guys are putting on.
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I can't wait for the next race! Only 15 days away

You ready to have some fun yet Dave? I'm excited to see you back at it. Car looks great.
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