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Old 03-23-2007, 12:19 AM   #121
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The only comfort you should have is having the ability to employ that weapon and being comfortable using it with the ability to hit and stop the threat.

I remember in class there was a 773 rule

7 seconds to gather the ability to think
7 second to grab your gun
3 second to point and shoot..

I believe thats how it went.. This was an average time of what it took people to shoot under a high street situation.. I know this sounds high and Im sure people can do better.. I will not personally argue this statistic .. I practice to shut my car off and do all the right stuff in the event something happens.. Well when something happened (car caught fire at around 165 MPH) all my training went out the window and I went brain dead.. It took me what seemed a life time to react... The car came to almost a complete stop before I pulled the off switch, undid my belts and window net to get the phuck outta there... I know I know.. Everyone else can do better..
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Old 03-23-2007, 12:20 AM   #122
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Reason i asked is i might go tomorrow, i took the day off of work so i can enjoy a full day of doing whatever i please, for a change.

Sure do it when I have shit to do.. I went Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and today.. Where the phuck was everyone at then?
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Oh yeah there was an FFF rule to.. Fire till the Fucker Falls
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Sure do it when I have shit to do.. I went Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and today.. Where the phuck was everyone at then?

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Old 03-23-2007, 12:38 AM   #125
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I remember in class there was a 773 rule

7 seconds to gather the ability to think
7 second to grab your gun
3 second to point and shoot..

I believe thats how it went.. This was an average time of what it took people to shoot under a high street situation.. I know this sounds high and Im sure people can do better.. I will not personally argue this statistic .. I practice to shut my car off and do all the right stuff in the event something happens.. Well when something happened (car caught fire at around 165 MPH) all my training went out the window and I went brain dead.. It took me what seemed a life time to react... The car came to almost a complete stop before I pulled the off switch, undid my belts and window net to get the phuck outta there... I know I know.. Everyone else can do better..
It seems way high to me - you can be killed easily within that time frame. Count the number of seconds it takes this guy to draw and shoot 2 people (one perp already has a gun pointed to his head):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmKR6evZRQQ

I know it's just a movie, but the director of Collateral (Michael Mann) had Tom Cruise take a weeks long, hands on tactical defense training program with a highly regarded personal trainer, long before the movie began filming, and his gun handling/shooting techniques throughout the movie are very real.
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It seems way high to me - you can be killed easily within that time frame. Count the number of seconds it takes this guy to draw and shoot 2 people (one perp already has a gun pointed to his head):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmKR6evZRQQ

I know it's just a movie, but the director of Collateral (Michael Mann) had Tom Cruise take a weeks long, hands on tactical defense training program with a highly regarded personal trainer, long before the movie began filming, and his gun handling/shooting techniques throughout the movie are very real.

That is the point.. If you are being robbed at gun point.. and he has his weapon drawn.. you have slim to none chance of getting to him no matter how many times you have drawn your weapon from your holster in the mirror making bam noises. A guy in our class could draw in around 1-2 seconds maybe less.. he was quick.. He was dead quick.. But the teacher guaranteed him if he was just walking down the road and someone jumps out in front of him that his mind and body would not react as quick.. And I have to agree with the teacher on this one.. Unless you have been in a hostile situation.. its tuff to say..
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To the untrained eye, it looks like Tom Cruise did a lot. You can definitely tell Micheal Mann takes his movies serious.

Okay here is what I noticed. Tom Cruise closed the distance between him and his targets notice the loser with the pistol turned sideways, and 2nd the other bozo couldn't get his drawn in time.

Textbook close quarter kill.
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i watched the movie.. that is awesome.. Things always come together when you expect them.. the 773 rule applies to when you dont expect anything coming.. Kinda like someone scaring the shit out of you when you walk around a corner.. You freeze.. till you figure out its a joke.. But if it wasnt a joke.. I can imagine the shit that would be going thru someones head.. Will I die, will I see my kids, why me, what the phuck am I gonna do.. All that shit takes time.. You get tunnel vision.. You cant think straight.. it sucks..

Gunny may be able to handle it a little better as he has probably been in these situations.. But at war you are always alert.. He probably still is.. But for us average clowns.. We have no idea what the next minute holds.. Last thing we think about is we are going to be robbed.. shot.. or get hit by a semi..
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To the untrained eye, it looks like Tom Cruise did a lot. You can definitely tell Micheal Mann takes his movies serious.

Okay here is what I noticed. Tom Cruise closed the distance between him and his targets notice the loser with the pistol turned sideways, and 2nd the other bozo couldn't get his drawn in time.

Textbook close quarter kill.
A few other points to add... He immediately grabbed the wrist of the first attacker with his "weak" hand to prevent himself from being shot while he reached for his own weapon. This is a prime example of why it so important that you are able to draw and fire with only the use of ONE hand. Another point... after he drew his gun, he immediately anchored his lower right arm against his waist and just point fired 2 shots directly in his center mass (perfect form for this close encounter).
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To touch on a point MCM touched on everyone has a weak hand. To make this as simple as possible if you are right handed guess which hand is your weak hand? Yep you guessed it, your left hand unless you are ambidextrious. I am not as strong left hand as right handed but I am comfortable shooting with either hand.
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i watched the movie.. that is awesome.. Things always come together when you expect them.. the 773 rule applies to when you dont expect anything coming.. Kinda like someone scaring the shit out of you when you walk around a corner.. You freeze.. till you figure out its a joke.. But if it wasnt a joke.. I can imagine the shit that would be going thru someones head.. Will I die, will I see my kids, why me, what the phuck am I gonna do.. All that shit takes time.. You get tunnel vision.. You cant think straight.. it sucks..

Gunny may be able to handle it a little better as he has probably been in these situations.. But at war you are always alert.. He probably still is.. But for us average clowns.. We have no idea what the next minute holds.. Last thing we think about is we are going to be robbed.. shot.. or get hit by a semi..
So true. It's easy to sit hear and talk about what you'd do in a given situation, but when you're suddenly involved in one, you will more than likely be caught offguard and freeze up. That's why it's wise to constantly practice your shooting skills whenever you can and always stay alert to your surroundings to help you better handle a sudden "stress" situation.
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but I am comfortable shooting with either hand.

and as accurate..
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So true. It's easy to sit hear and talk about what you'd do in a given situation, but when you're suddenly involved in one, you will more than likely be caught offguard and freeze up. That's why it's wise to constantly practice your shooting skills whenever you can and always stay alert to your surroundings to help you better handle a sudden "stress" situation.

Im always stressed dammit!!!
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and as accurate..
Same principal applies both hands. Sight alignment, trigger control, follow through. Well there isn't much follow through when you switch hands in the middle of recoil.
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