Lets see some 632ci cars

[red67]

Originally Posted by bigpoppapreston

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/rick-grove-outlaw-105-69_108323.htm

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...moving+alcohol

Here's Rick Grove's 69 Camaro when it was equipped with a N/A 648. I know it's 16 cid larger than the subjects in this thread but it runs incredible.

are you sure it had that motor in it then? Im very good friends with him, actually just left his shop, and i know for the past couple years hes been messing with big inch hemi head sonnys motors with electronic fuel injection. I think the one he has now is a 780+ ci hemi.

[bigpoppapreston]

Originally Posted by red67

are you sure it had that motor in it then? Im very good friends with him, actually just left his shop, and i know for the past couple years hes been messing with big inch hemi head sonnys motors with electronic fuel injection. I think the one he has now is a 780+ ci hemi.

You would know more precisely as i'm just going by the header in the original video clip.

[red67]

im not saying your wrong by any means, im just wondering because i thought it had been a while since he ran a motor that small.

[tenfiveracer]

nice ride

[Jp outlaw]

Originally Posted by K I RACING

They have a class for them it's called OUTLAW 632.

It's still is an affordable class, but it is a heads up class.

If you want to run up front it takes $$$$ and some smarts

How long do you think it will last as is with 4-5 cars running a tenth or two faster than the other "fillers" in the field? As I've stated many times, I'm in this for the enjoyment of heads-up racing, but I have read and argued from the begining that this was a grassroots/budget effort class, not just a class for those who could no longer run fast enough for 10.5. If I was wrong about that, then I must admit I was wrong to Chris1374, sgracing, Pillow, and the others who said this class was nothing more than nitrous guys who couldn't keep up in 10.5; I can then simply bow out, put my blower on and continue racing for the fun of it as my minimal budget allows.

[tenfiveracer]

This is as much as a " we can't run in 10.5 " as " 10.5 can't run in pro-street or pro-mod " type assesment.. I have run and beaten 740 + cu inch motors and been to semifinals in outlaw 10.5 but the class ( outlaw 632 ) has the potential for some great races just look at Schroder vs . Schmidt ... two great racers and one of them a former Orlando World street nationals Champion.. This class is the future of grasss roots heads- up racing..

[Jp outlaw]

^ It could be. Right now I'm thinking it could go either way, but hoping for the best. It just doesn't sound like "the little guy" will be able to be a part of it. If the only way you can play competitively is a 630+ci motor with low angle heads and 3+ stages, then it is not what I though it was. - Maybe I was wrong, I have no qualms with that, but I need to apologize to the afore mentioned guys if I was.

[tenfiveracer]

I think once we get things ironed out MIKE and the powers that be might cut a weight break for smaller BB's single kits etc. But there are a lot of guys with cars just sitting in garages because of economic reasons .

[69proz28]

Originally Posted by bigpoppapreston

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/rick-grove-outlaw-105-69_108323.htm

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...moving+alcohol

Here's Rick Grove's 69 Camaro when it was equipped with a N/A 648. I know it's 16 cid larger than the subjects in this thread but it runs incredible.

Awesome

[Jp outlaw]

Originally Posted by tenfiveracer

I think once we get things ironed out MIKE and the powers that be might cut a weight break for smaller BB's single kits etc. But there are a lot of guys with cars just sitting in garages because of economic reasons .

No doubt. I used to run at least once a month; the economy fell out while I was completing this car and thus I have only been able to haul it out occassionally. - I fully understand their thoughts of not wanting a "Billy Glidden" type car to be given too much lee-way and run away with the class, but I get a lot of references to "single stage" cars that are still foggers on bb's or canted/splayed valved sb's that are as many CI as my junk.

I didn't think my asking 100#'s for a plate only sub 500ci single carb was out of line, and after speaking with most everyone(including Mike) at the track it doesn't seem like it either. It's just nice to know that the "leaders" are thinking about options to allow different combos to be competitive. All I'm arguing here is that if you want full fields of competitive cars, make some concessions to allow combinations other than just 630+ci 3+ stage combos to be competitive.

I guess I'm just a cry baby. I will continue to race and continue to go faster as I iron this thing out, but I have no intentions of torching my shit most every time out, building a 600ci + motor, or refilling bottles like a crackhead looking for a fix.

[headporter]

The car actually has a 622 in it and weighs 2970, we went a personal best last weekend of 4.35 1/8th 6.80 at 201 1/4, all motor at a shitty noble oklahoma track.

[Jp outlaw]

Originally Posted by TubeCarz

JP ,
While everything you said is true . The only one " politicking " for a rules change was you . While I understand your position , you have to keep in mind there are those (us) that will take the rule that will let a guy with a .060 over block and a 1/4" crank get light enough run 4.70's .... will use some old pro stock stuff 4.700 bore , 4" stroke , 1800cfm brasswell spread flange carb , to run some 4.40's ...
The rules are pretty simple and there are cars being built because it is an affordable no nonsense place where a nitrous guy can play Dr. Frankenstien with as much juice as he cares or dares to try .
And the best part is you dont need a two year old featherweight Pro Stock chassis . Start making light cars legal and see how much it really costs .
You seem like a nice young man from the little bit we talked . The best bit of advice I can give you is to look into upgrading your equipment for next year if you want to be a player in this class , which appears to be going nowhere but "up" in popularity with the promoters , racers and most importantly , the fans .

Tubie ....

Charlie and/or anyone else who has more experience with n2o than me, I got to thinking about this more during my ride home(I'm about 1hr each way from my work)

Conventional heads and plate only aside; if a sub 500ci older pro-stock type motor(big bore/short stroke combo) with a single kit can run 4.40's with a 100-200# weight break, then what's to stop the same combo from coming in under the current rules with multiple stages @ 3000#'s and still running that kind of number?

The only logical reasons I can think of are; (1) multiple kits/foggers are less advantage/efficient than I think or (2) no one has found a safe tune-up to apply that much juice to a big bore combo or (3) the current faster cars of the class don't have their chassis tuned well enough to apply the power quicker/harder. What/which is it, or did I just "let the cat out of the bag". - I'm not trying to be a dick here, I just really am a newbie to n2o and I'm curious as to what I'm missing.




Seems headporter's post somewhat points towards my third thought.

[K I RACING]

Originally Posted by Jp outlaw

How long do you think it will last as is with 4-5 cars running a tenth or two faster than the other "fillers" in the field? As I've stated many times, I'm in this for the enjoyment of heads-up racing, but I have read and argued from the begining that this was a grassroots/budget effort class, not just a class for those who could no longer run fast enough for 10.5. If I was wrong about that, then I must admit I was wrong to Chris1374, sgracing, Pillow, and the others who said this class was nothing more than nitrous guys who couldn't keep up in 10.5; I can then simply bow out, put my blower on and continue racing for the fun of it as my minimal budget allows.

You are rite they left 10.5 and started outlaw 632.

The class seems to be growing in size with out alot of rules?

[K I RACING]

Originally Posted by Jp outlaw

Charlie and/or anyone else who has more experience with n2o than me, I got to thinking about this more during my ride home(I'm about 1hr each way from my work)

Conventional heads and plate only aside; if a sub 500ci older pro-stock type motor(big bore/short stroke combo) with a single kit can run 4.40's with a 100-200# weight break, then what's to stop the same combo from coming in under the current rules with multiple stages @ 3000#'s and still running that kind of number?

The only logical reasons I can think of are; (1) multiple kits/foggers are less advantage/efficient than I think or (2) no one has found a safe tune-up to apply that much juice to a big bore combo or (3) the current faster cars of the class don't have their chassis tuned well enough to apply the power quicker/harder. What/which is it, or did I just "let the cat out of the bag". - I'm not trying to be a dick here, I just really am a newbie to n2o and I'm curious as to what I'm missing.




Seems headporter's post somewhat points towards my third thought.

May be you could give them chassis tunning advise!!!!

[Jp outlaw]

Originally Posted by K I RACING

May be you could give them chassis tunning advise!!!!

hahaha - like how to be under your car between every pass?
http://www.streetlegaltv.com/photos/...hp/photo/12535 - I'm still learning my junk, I wouldn't even begin to know what it takes to work with a 3 series gear and that much crankshaft.

I really wasn't trying to be a dick, just asking. I have very little experience with n2o, so that was the only logical reasons I could think up. Am I missing something or is that the metaphorical "cat out of the bag"?